Hello all, its been a while since I posted on here. I am hoping someone can help me out. Brandon was DX 9-11-06 PreB ALL HR. We are so close to the end of treatment so of course everything and anything that can go wrong is. Brandon was DX with H1N1 on October 29. We did the Tamiflu and to be honest it worked great! He never got really sick and seemed to breeze through. The day he was DX his counts were low. I figured well, he has the flu, so of course they are going to be low.( WBC 1.2 HGB 13.0 and PLT 96 ANC of 600 ). His Dr told me that his counts should start to come up within a week. Ok, so fastforward to yesterday. Counts are still down WBC 1.4 HGB 10.8 PLT 34 ANC 600. I may be overreacting,as i tend to do with this BUT his PLTS are really low! I was always told that the number they look at when dealing with a relapse is the PLT count. So obviously I am really getting scared. His oncologist have stopped all chemo and we are going back in a week to recheck counts. If there is no improvement we are going to do a BMA to chec for relapse. My question is..have any of your children either had H1N1 or a virus that has caused counts, esp PLTS, to drop like this? I am so scared and just looking for a little bit of help,whether it is negative info or positive. You are all the experts in my opinion!!
Thank you Christine
I have never heard that~ I Hope some of the other parents will share their knowledge with us!!!
Are low platelet counts a indication of a impending relapse???
Many virus's will affect the counts, PLT's in particular, Lyvy was off treatment for well over 12 mths and contracted strep, it knocked her PLT's for a six, I also found of all her counts it took her PLT's the longest to bounce back once OT, they still are in the low normal range, try not to worry too much and hoping they bounce back soon.
Jenn
Everytime Donavynn gets a virus his counts tank! Especially his platelets and hemoglobin. I hate it but never get too excited as I know it is the virus working it's way through. I've never heard of them doing a BMA just b/c of low platelets though... Usually they want to see blasts etc to do that, but I guess every doc is different. We were always told to keep an eye on the monocytes. When they are elevated it signifies count recovery. Good luck.
Thank you all for your input. I dont believe they are doing it just because of his PLT count. Normally, our Drs are very wary of doing a marrow, maybe this is what has me so freaked out. I don't know. Brandon never showed blasts in his blood even at DX, so is this a good thing? I just checked his monocyte and here is what they look like...on 10-29 they were 11.0, yesterday they were 2.3. I just so wish we didnt have to wait for a week, this is driving me insane.
Hi Christine,
Yes, we do generally find that if Pete gets sick, his platelets get hid hardest. Since we have been in LTM, he has never needed a whole blood transfusion, but has needed 2 or 3 platelet transfusions.
I can sympathise with your fears and really hope that all is well with Brandon.
Take care,
Bridget
My child is recently off treatment now. She was diagnosed with H1N1 last week. This was after just a little ear infection - no other signs of infection, not sick, anything, not even a fever. She was swabbed "just in case" and it came back positive. Her blood platelets throughout treatment for ALL have always been in 300-500's. There have been a few times when she was in the 200's and maybe twice in the whole treatment time that she was in the 100's. A week after her positive swab for H1N1, her WBC had gone down considerably. It went from 7.0's to the 2.0's and neutrophils went from 4700 to 500. Doc said this is very indicative of the H1N1 virus and how blood work is being presented in these H1N1 positive kids. Her platelets have been holding steady at about 350 for the past 6 months. During that last blood draw, her platelets had been around 230. That is still in normal range and to many, it wouldn't be of significance, but to my daugther, it is lower. I'm assuming it is safe to say that the virus caused them to do this and like others say, platelets are sensitive to fevers and viruses. Just hang in there and I'm sure things will turn around soon. What I will add is that your child's monocytes are increasing. My thoughts are, if there was a relapse, then those wouldn't be increasing. Everything will be starting to fall. The reason they look at platelets with relapse is that they have a very small "shelf life", about 5 days. If there was something wrong in the marrow, those wouldn't be increasing and they can watch the downward trends of them. But, with that being said, the WBC also has a small shelf life so if your child's are improving (monocytes go up first), chances are, things will be getting back to normal soon. I've seen this happen before in someone else.
Oh, I just went back to read your latest post - did you mean the previous monocytes were 1.1 or 11.0 and now they are 2.3? I'm not sure what you mean by that. What is the breakdown of the CBC from both days if you don't mind me asking: WBC, ANC, LYMPHOCYTES, MONOCYTES, - I can help you better if I knew that (studied lots and lots of bloodwork!!!)
Well, I don't know if H1N1 lowers counts, but I might find out. My husband just took Seth in for blood culture. He had a temp of 101.2 and was feeling miserable. Our two youngest and myself have all been down with the flu, so that is what we suspect. Not 100% sure if is H1N1, but I assume they will test him in the ER tonight after they do a CBC and blood culture. I knew this was coming, was just hoping not. For all of you out there, please say a prayer that it is just the flu and nothing worse.
Gabe...Here is the breakdown of Brandons CBC from both days..
On 10/29 WBC 1.2 Lymph 0.4 Mono 11.0 PLT 96 with an ANC if 600
On 11/12 WBC 1.4 Lymph 0.6 Mono 2.3 PLT 34 with an ANC of 400
When I look at the labs yes I get scared...HGB also went down from 13.0 to 10.8 ( I know not bad still, but none the less dropped)
I am just praying that this is all as a result of the H1N1.
Thank you
Christine
When my daughter was dx with H1N1, before she even got her bloodwork done - I had asked - what does this do to counts? He answered me - "we've seen them going low". I didn't ask specifically, but I'm assuming they are probably all dropping. For my daughter's WBC and ANC to take a "nose dive" like that, then I can see what he meant. If we were still on treatment, she'd probably have no WBC as there wouldn't have been much to start with. Many kids, and like mentioned above, will have a drop in all counts with a virus - its the way their bodies respond. I do know of another little girl who just a month before treatment ended, ALL of her counts dropped. She didn't even have a visible virus but it was assumed she did. They ALL went low and took weeks to come back up. Their bodies have to fight hard to attack the infection and it takes a lot out of them. I notice his lymphs went up. This is indicative of a viral infection too. I would try to relax about this and hold tight until next counts. I'm sure you'll see things on the rise at that time.
Christyne, i rarely post on this site but my son also contacted what they thought was swine flu and put on tamiflu. While they did not check his labs then, he dislocated his knee cap less than 2 weeks later, about 4 days after finishing his 7 days of tamiflu. They checked his labs for purpose of surgery and his platelets were the lowest i had seen them since transplant and while they were telling me, don't worry he is fine for surgery, that was not what i was worried about.
He just had his labs checked this week, 3 weeks since that last lab work and his platelets are fine.
So, yes, swine flu and any other virus can cause the platelets to go down and i believe i read that low platelets is also a documented side effect or adverse reaction of tamiflu.
Thank you all so much. We are going back into clinic on Thursday. It seems like no matter what, that elephant in the corner just wont go away. I hate this!
The best of luck for thursday, Christine. I really hope that Brandon is recovering and you get your fears laid to rest.
My son was diagnosed with pre-B cell ALL in January 06. He sailed through treatment until about 1 year into maintenance. His platelets started dropping but the other numbers remained the same (his platelets were usually in the 300's and they got down below 100,000). They stopped chemo for 2 weeks to see if that would help but it didn't. His dr suggested we do a BMA and needless to say we were very scared. The marrow came back fine - no sign of blasts. She diagnosed him with ITP. The clinic he goes to has only seen one other case of a child developing ITP while on treatment. The body for some reason marks the platelets for destruction - it is an autoimmune disorder. The way to usually treat ITP is immunosuppression with steroids. So he went through the rest of maintenance without a problem. He has been off of treatment now for 8 months (yay!). He still has chronic ITP (his platelets range anywhere from 30-60,000). We are waiting it out to see if his body will eventually straighten itself out. But I will take ITP any day over leukemia! Hope this helps and I hope the drop in platelets is just a reaction to the H1N1. Keep us posted!