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Lovey   84 posts since
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Sep 8, 2009 4:14 PM

Help to get through it

January 4, 2007 was Burt's first bone marrow test, and the day I will always remember as the one when our world turned upside  down, it was also Burt's 64th birthday.  We learned a lot that month but the cliff notes version is he had CMML.  I jumped on the message boards here and learned as much as I possibly could about what we would face. The support, advice and hope that poured out was amazing.  After two and a half years of bliss, we almost forgot there was anything wrong.  That was until August 17th and we got the word that once again, our world was being shaken at its roots. The disease had progressed, blast count was high and Burt had a week to get his stuff together and check-in to the hospital.  So, Monday, August 24th at 8:00am there we were at the hospital.

 

That first day was long and scary. Burt had never been in a hospital for anything. They did a lot of things, we did a lot of waiting and at 10:00pm he finally got a PICC line, he needed his first ever transfusion of platelets before they could insert it.The plan is to have a stem cell transplant as his sister is a match and Burt is healthy in every other way. He is to do a chemo protocol to get the leukemia into remission, will go home for a short time and return for 8 days of chemo, a rest day and then transplant.

 

The road has been fairly normal (under the circumstances). He had a week of chemo (area-C and idarubicin) and after a week of letting his body rebuild they did another bone marrow test today.  He's moving through it like a champ, hardly neuseous, did have the requisite fever, but generally doing really well.  We've done the caring bridge thing because it's helpful to let friends and family know what we want them to without having to rehash it over and over.  The support from friends and family has been overwhelming and we are grateful beyond words.  We're also concerned and reaching out and looking for support here for many of the questions and concerns we don't want to share with friends and family (please don't take that the wrong way but it' sometimes easier to share with anonymity).

 

The lastest blood work shows 13% blasts (up from 3% yesterday).  We won't have bone marrow test results for a couple of days and the doctors and nurses won't speculate. Perhaps we shouldn't either but is there a chance that the blast levels could preclude transplant as an option? Can any of you with experience try to address some of these questions in addition to that one? Is another round of chemo likely to try for remission again? Do they do multiple trys? Is it possible he could get another round and go straight to transplant (he did have four days with no blasts)?  I know the logical response to all of this is that everybody is different and we should ask the doctor.  We want to be hopefully optimistic and yet realistic about this journey.

 

Also, can anyone advise what I do in all this? Burt is retired, I still work. My boss has been unbelieveably sympathetic and while I don't want to take advantage, I really don't want to be at work and leave Burt by himself (which may be more for me than him). He has two grown children on either coast who come as much as they can. I am blessed with an amazingly supportive network of friends and family and know how very lucky I am. But Burt is not just the light of my life, he is my life. How, how, how, do you get through it?

Tex   3,869 posts since
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1. Sep 8, 2009 4:45 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

We're used to folks coming here when they can't turn to family and friends...we know that those who've not been down this road simply don't have the insight that you need.  So I don't think anyone was taking your desire to come here wrong.  In fact, it's good to see you, though I wish it were with a different report.  I think that all came out wrong but I hope you know what I mean.

 

I'm sure you know how rare CMML is.  It's rare enough we don't see much of it around here.  I don't know if any of us can reply to the specificties of the disease.  I do know that they prefer a low (<5%) blast count before doing a transplant.  But that by no means indicates a transplant can't happen with higher blast counts.  It's going to come down to a number of factors the doctors will have to assess.

 

It does sound like his treatment is similar to that of AML.  If that's the case and the disease is similar at this point, they could very likely do another induction round to try to get him into remission...that is if this round doesn't work and the BMB results will be the best indicator, I think.

 

Please let us know how ya'll are doing.

 

Blessings

KyGuy   1,257 posts since
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2. Sep 9, 2009 12:14 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

I'm sorry to hear that he relapsed.  They may have him go through another round of chemo to try to get him into remission before the transplant.  In both my original treatment and after my relapse, it took 2 rounds of induction to get me into remission.  Mylotarg and Vidaza were the ones that got me into remission before my transplant.   With Burt being 64, they may talk about Vidaza since it has a reputation of being kind to older patients.

 

It's a tough call about working and it really comes down to how you and Burt will be most comfortable.  He may need you more after the transplant than before so work that into your consideration.  My wife was fortunate because she was able to take off and her job was held until she returned (no pay of course but she didn't lose her job).  This process can be tougher on the caregiver.  Talk to other caregivers to see how they cope through the situation.  My docs told me that if my wife felt that she needed anti-depressants, she could get them.  She never felt that she needed them though.  Turn to use when you have questions and we'll be happy to provide whatever support we can.

 

Take care,

Kelly

marta   98 posts since
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3. Sep 9, 2009 12:45 PM in response to: KyGuy
Re: Help to get through it

I am so sorry to hear this. As a wife I can presume how do you feel. I don't nothing about CMML, my husband was dx CML, which I understand is something diffrent. I can't say anything about  the treatment. I gave up my work, when Adam was dx. I just   staying at home and looking after him. Few times during last three years I was thinking about back to work, but always something had hapened with Adam. But I am absolutely don't regret.I was happy  and I am happy that we have so many time for ourselves as never before his dx. I trying to reach my strength from the fact that we had (have) very good life together, sometime it;s help, sometime only xanax allow me  to keep myself going. Take care. Marta

pamd   1,347 posts since
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5. Sep 9, 2009 10:38 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

Lovey, while I'm not knowledgeable about CMML, I had AML that was treated with chemo, then relapsed two years later, and had a BMT. But to get back into remission the second time around was definitely harder; the first induction didn't do it for me, it only knocked my blasts down from 25% to 20%. So I had a second induction, with Idarubicine, Ara-C, and Mylotarg, which did the trick. My point is, when you've relapsed, it is pretty common to have a second or third induction, or more, before getting the blasts down below 5%, and ready for transplant. And sometimes transplants are done with folks not quite in remission. As I said, I don't know much about CMML, but there are probably other tricks up Burt's doctors' sleeves (and other chemo regimens), so don't lose hope, not at all. Patience is tough during this time, but try not to get discouraged. I would go so far as to say that many of us have needed more than one induction to achieve remission after relapse, not just a few.

 

Do consider FMLA, Burt will need a dedicated caregiver post-transplant. It's great that you have family support, and the matching sister to boot! Mine was an unrelated donor. I only have one sister and she had the unmitigated gall not to match me! So anyway, Burt's ahead of the game there.

 

I had headaches for weeks after transplant, sort of vague ones, plus an increase in my migraines that I'd had pre-leukemia. They eventually go away (tho I still get migraines). I think chemo contributes to headaches, plus who knows what after transplant, the plethora of drugs we take then, just the transformation your body goes through after a transplant---who knows, but I remember the headaches. But the thing is, they do go away eventually.

 

Happy anniversary, and I say that knowing that this is not how anybody would want to spend it. But you have each other, you have good doctors with a plan, you have a matching sibling donor---you will probably find yourselves closer than ever despite (or because of) what's going on. I often reflect that for my husband and I, the last 3 1/2  of our 26 years together have in many ways been the closest. When leukemia hit and my husband became my dedicated caregiver, I kind of fell in love all over again. You can't spin everything about this predicament positively, but there are some surprises in this....anyway, hold each other close today and enjoy the day however you can.

 

And know that we'll be here to support you and Burt in whatever ways we can.

 

Take care,

Pam

Tex   3,869 posts since
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6. Sep 10, 2009 1:07 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

Our 25th wedding anniversary was made all the sweeter by the fact I spent our 20th drooling in my shoe.  (Not really but that's about how I felt.  I was a little past Day 30 and we didn't do anything.)

 

You have to live in Today.  You have to...it's all you're promised and the work before you is today's work.  But never forget that Today is designed to provide Tomorrow.

 

Blessings

KyGuy   1,257 posts since
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8. Sep 11, 2009 2:30 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

It's very difficult for the patient to listen and retain everything.  Dealing with the disease and the treatment compromises our ability to keep the information straight.  Since the doctor makes rounds so early, ask if a nurse can be present to take notes.  While the doc will make notes later, it's best to capture what he says when he's in the room.  Another option would be to provide Burt with a tape recorder.  If you have questions for the doc, write them down and either leave them with the nurse to post on Burt's chart or put them in his room where he'll remember to show the doc.  For the same reasons, don't rely on Burt to convey the questions.  I'm not trying to pick on him but I know how it was when I was in treatment.

 

Take care,

Kelly

Tex   3,869 posts since
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9. Sep 11, 2009 4:07 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

Well, the peripheral blasts are bouncing around.  Don't know how much stock I'd put in that.  Did you not get a written report on the BMB?  If not, ask for one.  That will keep youfrom having to wait another two weeks.

 

I was going to suggest a tape recorder, too.  Or maybe you could get a roll away and spend a night there?  At least you could ask the doc to give you a call.  S/he might not, but it's always worth a try,

 

I think Kelly's idea about giving questions to a nurse is good.  But ask the nurse to flag it as s/he likely won't be the one on duty when the doc comes in at 6:00.

 

I did have AML so that does explain why the protocol sounds familiar.

 

Keep us posted.

 

Blessings

marta   98 posts since
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10. Sep 11, 2009 5:01 PM in response to: Tex
Re: Help to get through it

It must be frustrating not to be able speak to the doc directly.  I don't have any ideas because I don't know you procedures. When Adam was treating in Krakow, I was always could to call Adam's doc Most of the patiens have her private mobil number. But she is a very spacial person, full dedicated  to her  patiens.

Now in Poznan, I  can  talk  to Adam's  each day.  ( a working  days, I don't  know  how it will be  during the weekend). Perhaps you can arrange a meeting the a doc via a nurse ?

Take care, I am thining about you and your husband!

CarolynM   6 posts since
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11. Sep 11, 2009 8:05 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

Lovey,

I remember corresponding with you on the CMML message board.  I believe you lived in Philadelphia at one time.  Even though I don't know how much help I can be with medical advice, I wanted you to know that I am wishing you and Burt well.  You will get great help from the very knowledgeable folks on this message board.  Please feel free to email me if you care to.

Tex   3,869 posts since
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13. Sep 12, 2009 12:14 PM in response to: Lovey
Re: Help to get through it

Ten percent blasts in the marrow isn't great, but by no means is it terrible.  So many folks have higher blasts and wind up getting through this.  If this remains the case, they'll probably want to give him abother round of chemo to try to kill it off.

 

One thing I want to stress, he will only benefit if he exercises.  Getting him up and walking will, in the long run, strengthen hi body and lift some of the fatigue.  Walking like a fiend helped me immensely.  See what you can do to get him up a few times a day.  Start little but aim big.

 

Blessings

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