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2 Replies Last post: May 29, 2009 11:05 PM by Goddess  
cori   116 posts since
May 9, 2009
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May 16, 2009 12:54 PM

Medicaid and IRA question

Greetings.  My boyfriend has recently been diagnosed with AML and we're navigating all the research, all the appointments, all the aid to apply for, all the financial ins and outs.  He does not currently have insurance but will qualify for Medicaid and SSDI, amongst other assistance.  We originally filed for Medicaid online as soon as we knew about the diagnosis, which we later found takes longer.  Then the case worker at the facility where he will be going for treatment said they would help facilitate the Medicaid process.

 

The case worker told us that Medicaid will turn my boyfriend down when they see how much money he has. It isn't much, under $10K altogether, but it was him trying to be responsible and have a little bit of savings for expenses if he were to lose his job or whatever.  Like we're all supposed to do, but not all of us do.  Anyway, one of the resources is an IRA.  The case worker told us it will need to be cashed out for DSHS to approve Medicaid coverage.  If my boyfriend closes out that IRA, he will get hit with a $600 penalty.  Is there a possibility of stating disability as the reason for closing the IRA and getting out of that penalty?

 

My boyfriend is struggling with what to do with the IRA money.  Additionally, we may need to document where the money went to show that all resources have been drained.   My advice to him has been

  1. do not pre-pay any medical bills with it (he wanted to pre-pay dental or other medical needs), but maybe pay already-existing bills? 
  2. do not ask our landlord for a bill for a year's worth of rent in advance (another idea he had, but I disagree because that then shows he doesn't need any assistance with housing),
  3. maybe prepay utilities?  although this could be as problematic as prepaying rent,
  4. put some of it in the benevolent account I'm setting up on Monday.  A benevolent account is an account where anyone who has access to that bank's branches can go in and make a donation in his name.  It isn't opened with his Social Security number, so it isn't tied to him formally, plus it will not count as income on his next year's tax filing.

 

Any other ideas?  Has someone been through this specifically before?  Are we overthinking the documentation standpoint?  Initially, we reported the IRA and everything else on the Medicaid online application, but because it still has not been processed, the case worker facilitating the application next week can just start over and fill out a new application and write "supercedes previous application", and then DSHS will use that new application (I got this information straight from DSHS).  Is my boyfriend overthinking what to do with the money?  Can he just stick it under the bed, so to speak?

Mike in PA   5 posts since
May 29, 2009
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1. May 29, 2009 9:32 PM in response to: cori
Re: Medicaid and IRA question

Sorry I am so late reading this.  I don't get on her often.  Lets just say that I have a lot of knowledge about Mediciad eligibility.  My first question is what state are you in?

In PA, if he were to give the money to someone (not his spouse or child) there would not be any sort of penalty with doing that (unless he needed nursing home care).  He would be eligible for Medicaid the day

after he gave the money away.  This doesn't mean that they won't scare you, threaten you etc.  Just be assertive and get an answer about what would happen if he gave the money to you or his parents.

When they say what would happen, ask them for a copy of the policy.  (A person to call may be an elder law attorney in your state.. I know he isn't elderly but they deal with

Medicaid all the time... if you get the right office they may just charge a small fee for advice).

 

Some other things that happen in PA and that you should ask about in your state:

 


If he has back medical bills that he wants covered,  he must spend the money on an irrevocable burial account or medical bills.  Doing so will treat the money as if it never existed.

 

 

If he spends the money on anything else, he will be eligible the day after the money is spent.  I think that spending it on utilities, rent, etc isn't such a bad idea... In PA the    

account that you mention would be exempt but they would probably still get mad at you for placing it in there (still who cares if they get upset).

 

In PA and maybe in other states... there is a program called MAWD (medical assistance for workers with disabilities).  If he is still working, i.e. at an employer, cutting his neighbors grass,

walking the dog, going grocery shopping for mrs. smith down the street once per month) he can get MA and have up  to $10000 in his account.  His cancer diagnosis wouldbe enough to meet

the disability requirement.  There is a 5% of income premium.

 

Thats all I can think of for now.  Look at it this way, if he has to spend the money, he should try to do so on something that he needs in the near future. Let me know what you decided.

Goddess   17 posts since
Apr 3, 2009
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2. May 29, 2009 11:05 PM in response to: Mike in PA
Re: Medicaid and IRA question

Both my husband and I were laid off last year and have no insurance.  My COBRA payment would have been more than what I was getting in Unemployment and I was getting the maximum allowed.  After I was diagnosed and had racked up about $40K in Medical expenses, I applied for Medicaide only to be  denied  for having too much $$.  Both my husband and I are unemployed with no income.  But I have  an IRA - actually a distribution of a Pension Plan when I was laid off last year.   In Colorado, if you have more than $2,000 in assets, you are denied.  I was told that if the assets were in my husband's name alone, they would not be counted.  Heck, they even asked for the blue book value of my 15 year old car.

 

The IRS allows you to withdraw your IRA funds penalty free to pay medical expenses.  You still have to declare the funds as income for that year and pay income tax on it - but there isn't an early withdrawal penalty.  Needless to say,  I'm going that route.  I am going to find out if I can get checks payable to the various Medical Service Providers that I owe money too.  Having to deal with medical expenses on top of Chemo is just too stressful.  and your boyfriend are

 

If any of his expenses are with your local hospital, find out if they have any financial assistance plans.   Most of my Medical Service Providers said they would match the discount given my the hospital. 

 

Good Luck.  I hope your boyfriend is able to get the assistance he needs.  

 

Gwynn  

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