Wife did another round of bloodwork today and platelets or down to lowest point so far 32000. She was suppose to have treatment with a chemo drug called Rituxan, but we found an article dated April of this year about a dangerous side effect from this treatment. So wife canceled the treatment and has a meeting with Dr on 19th to see what other med or chemo to use. Web address for article is.
Hi to everyone hope all doing well.![]()
Another round of blood work and meeting with Dr. The results of blood work have not changed and platelet is still low and Monocytes or high. Dr says that the Prednasone seems to have improved the blood numbers like red cell etc. But the low platelets counts continue. Dr now thinks that Prednasone has stopped the attack on red cells but that the immune system is still attacking the platelets so reason they or still low. She also said that transfusion of platelets would not work to bring up numbers as immune system would attack them also and the numbers would fall off within one hour of doing so. I believe this is call ITP Immune Thrombocytopenic purpura say that 100 times real fast. One of the treatments for it brings us back to Rituxan, there is a new treatment for ITP that is in closing stages of clinical trials called AMG 531 that looks very promising.I don't know where all this fits in with the Dr first telling wife that she had CMML. Wife is now going to reduce her dosage of Prednasone avery two to three days with two more rounds of blood work and meeting with Dr. first Thursday of Dec. to talk over the treatment for this. Wife still looks good and has or seems to have lots of energy don't know how much of this is from the Prednasone.
Hi,
It seems that ITP is a better diagnosis than CMML. In any event, I have been on Vidaza. It's 7 days with shots then a rest for 3 weeks. I'm starting my second round. After the first round my platelets were up to 200!!!! That's the best they've been. We're very optomistic. Please keep in touch. I'll keep you in my prayers.
Joni
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:27:44 -0500
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Hi Joni
I hope and pray that things or going well for you.
Joy just got back from first bloodwork up after starting to back off Prednasone she is down to 40mg today from 60. The bloodwork had been normal except for Monocytic and platelets while on it, but it did not look good as everything is low except the Monocytic which is high. At lest platelates or staying above 30000 but keep changing up or down each time they do bloodwork. Dr told us last week that if this happened it meant the Prednasone had not stopped the immune attack on her blood. I was so sad when wife told me the results that I just had to leave the room as I didn't want her to she me cry. I don't want to scare her or make her feel bad about all this. I'm trying to keep a happy out look on all this and not slip into any more attacks of depression. ( I don't like being there)
Hi,
I'm optomistic right now. I'm down to 20 mg prednisone. I started Vidaza last month. My counts are much better. My platelets were normal for the first time in years. Even before my diagnosis of CMML my platelets were always low. My monocytes are still high, but I'm hoping that will improve. I get vidaza in shot form. My other option was dacogen which would have been an IV for 5 days each month. Maybe something like this is an option for your wife, unless of course she doesn't have CMML or myelodysplastic syndrome at all. In any event, good luck. I will pray for you too. I hope people are praying for us.
Joni
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Wife and I meet with Dr next Thursday to talk about meds or Chemo. Dr brought up using Rituxan again and said that the side effect that we pointed out was very rare. There is a new treatment for low platelets called AMG 531 but has not been approved by FDA, It has been put on fast track for approval. Dr has talked about Vidaza and Decogen but didn't seem to want to use these until after stopping the immune systems attack on her blood.
I'm new to this site and like everyone else I'm trying to figure out my "direction".
I was diagnosed with CMML mid-August 2009 following a routine cbc. I had been tired, easily out of breath...a flight of stairs felt like Mt. Everest, and had severe restless leg syndrome. I'm 57 years old and have been managing my parents failing health since May, I just thought I was worn out from the stress.
Since then I have been under the care of a Hematologist/Oncologist. He started me on Hydrea late September following a blood transfussion and iron infussion. In the last three months my rbc has gone from 6 to 12.6, wbc from 50,000 to 6,800, and platlets from 46 into the normal range, they bounce the most of all my counts. I'm responding very well to the meds, like many others, have been told I'm too old for a stem cell transplant.
I decided to get a second opinion at Mayo. They feel I should do the transplant, now, while I'm healthy. My only living brother is not a match so I've been looking further into all of this trying to decide what, when and where I would get the best outcome. Seattle has done the most transplants and is number 1 in the states, followed by the University of Minnesota. Go figure, I would have thought Mayo would be in the forefront.
Bottom line; after discussion with my primary Hemoc doc, he feels that it's too early and I would be changing my quality of life for something uncertain.
His feeling is, as long as my meds are holding me stable I should not jump at the transplant.
I am curious what you found out in Seattle and what their thoughts were on when it is best to seriously consider the transplant. My doc feels I will do well for at least a couple of years but we have all seen the stats on the lifetime of this disease so I don't want to wait too long.
Any feedback would be appreciated!
Hi Heatherb and welcome!
Like you my wife is just starting down this road and is not sure where or what to do. We have been told by several people to get a second opinion. Wife is looking at going to Omaha Med Center as she has been told they have some very good Dr in this field. She has a very close friend she grow up with who lives in Seattle. Her friend is also a Nurse and gives these types of med's to Leukemia sufferers. Wife has been on phone with her about taking Rituxan and friend said that she has given this treatment to lots of people with Leukemia and or auto immune problems.
Hi,
I was diagnosed last spring. I, too, have had several opinions. First the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, then Sloan Kettering, then Mayo. I tried Gleevec for 4 months. I don't have the gene mutation, so it didn't work for me at all. I'm on my second round of vidaza. My counts after the first round were greatly improved. My hem-onc doc thinks I shouldn't even consider the transplant while the chemo is making a difference. He told me that would be a last resort.
Good Luck, please keep in touch.
Joni
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HI Jsitko
Wife and I asked a lot of questions today, I think we where more prepared instead of just over-whelmed by all this. I asked sense Dr had Dx CMML and Leukemia of course is the last letter does that mean my wife has cancer. Her answer was no that CMML used to be part of or believed to be Leukemia at one time but in 2001 WHO changed it to Myelodysplastic/Myeloprolifertive Diseases. She went on to say that ITP was also included in this as well as Evans Disease. She said that Dr's still call it CMML because they understand what they or talking about better when they use the old name. Go figure. We asked if delaying the treatment with Rituxan be a problem as we wanted to get a second opinion and she said no. So we are going to Omaha Med Center to get this and wife's Dr's office is setting this all up. We just have to wait for Med Center to call with the date and time as her med records and test our being set up to them and they will review them before seeing us.
Wife was taking 20mg of prednasone today and bloodwork was not good all numbers or back to where they were before she started taking it. Lucky for her the platelet count is staying above 30000 and not dropping below that.
Hello,
It's always good to get another opinion. I got 3 opinions about my illness. Please keep in touch.
Joni
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I also got another opinion from UCSF and Kaiser would not pay for this consult I am still paying for it and additional tests, but you will more information. When I ask for things from my Kaiser Doctors they will tell me different things than the doctors at UCSF and Stanford. CMML is so rare they say they do not have studies on this disease so when my Kaiser doctors demands studies before she will give me a off label drug the doctors at Stanford tell me she does not know what she is talking about. this is what the leukemia site states on CMML: Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia: A form of atypical chronic myelogenous leukemia characterized by an increase in the number of circulating monocytes, a type of white blood cell. Although the cells in this disease have chromosomal abnormalities, they do not contain the Ph chromosome. The disease is more progressive and less responsive to treatment than classical chronic myelogenous leukemia, which is associated
with the Ph chromosome.
My best to all of you and I am working on accepting that I have this and it is scary. My counselor says I need to be around people who make me happy. This is harder than I thought. Thanks for all of you
Collyn
here is what the site says on drug treatment:
Understanding CMML
Incidence
Signs and Symptoms
Diagnosis
Treatment
Clinical Trials
Outcomes
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Understanding CMML
Chronic myelomonocytic leukemia (CMML) is an uncommon blood cancer that has
features of two other types of blood cancers. For this reason, the World Health
Organization (WHO) classified CMML as a "mixed myelodysplastic/
myeloproliferative disease." This relatively new classification (2001) is
expected to lead to a better understanding of the disease and to the development
of more effective treatments.
CMML begins with one or more changes (mutations) to the DNA of a type of
white cell called a "monocyte." When monocytes leave the blood and enter the
tissues, they attack invading organisms, help combat infection and assist other
blood cells, such as lymphocytes, in carrying out their immune functions.
Monocytes arise from immature blood-forming cells called "myeloblasts" and
"myelocytes."
In CMML, myeloblasts and myelocytes accumulate in the marrow and in other
organs, interfering with the normal production of monocytes and other types of
blood cells, including red blood cells and platelets. Monocytes represent about
5 to 10 percent of the cells in normal blood.
The World Health Organization categorized CMML into two subtypes according to
the percentage of blast cells (blasts) found in the blood and marrow
CMML-1 - Less than 5 percent blasts in the blood and less than 10 percent
blasts in the marrow
CMML-2 - 5 to 19 percent blasts in the blood and 10 to 19 percent blasts in
the marrow
In most healthy individuals, blast cells represent less than 5 percent of
developing marrow cells.
Incidence
It is estimated that CMML affects approximately 3 out of 100,000 individuals
in the United States each year. The disease generally affects older adults.
Seventy-five percent of patients are older than 60 years at the time of
diagnosis and there are approximately twice as many male CMML patients as female
CMML patients.
Signs and Symptoms
Signs and symptoms may include
Weakness and fatigue due to low red cell counts (anemia)
Petechiae (pinhead-sized sites of bleeding in the skin), bruising and
bleeding due to low platelet counts (thrombocytopenia)
Infections due to low white cell counts (leukopenia)
Enlargement of the spleen and/or liver
Feeling of fullness below the ribs due to spleen enlargement
Diagnosis
A CMML diagnosis generally cannot be confirmed after one lab test result
shows abnormal blood counts. The diagnosis can only be confirmed after a patient
has been monitored for a period of time with repeat lab tests to rule out other
forms of myelodysplastic syndromes (MDS) or myeloproliferative disorders
(MPDs).
The tests typically used in diagnosis include blood tests and bone marrow
aspiration and biopsy to check for
A persistent elevated monocyte count in the blood (greater than
1,000/microliter of blood)
Less than 20 percent blasts in the blood or marrow
Signs of abnormalities in one or more types of precursor cells that develop
into red cells, certain types of white cells or platelets.
Other diagnostic tests may include
X-rays and/or CT scans of the abdomen and pelvis to check for an enlarged
spleen or liver
Cytogenetic tests to confirm the absence of the Philadelphia (Ph) chromosome
or the BCR-ABL rearrangement gene. The Ph chromosome is an abnormality of
chromosome 22 found in the marrow and blood cells of CML patients
Blood and urine tests to check for elevated "lysozyme" levels. Lysozyme is
an enzyme found in saliva, tears and some immune cells such as monocytes
Blood tests to detect elevated levels of proteins such as "lactate
dehydrogenase" (LDH) and "beta 2-microglobulin." LDH levels may become elevated
when there is tissue damage in the body. Beta 2-microglobulin may increase due
to increased production or reduction of white cells, inflammation or certain
types of cancer.
Genetic Mutations. Twenty to 40 percent of CMML patients have
chromosomal abnormalities. About 1 to 4 percent of patients have an abnormality
known as a translocation involving the PDGFR-B and TEL genes. In a
translocation, a piece of one chromosome breaks off and attaches to another
chromosome, which can lead to the development of a cancer gene (oncogene).
Patients with the PDGFR-Band TEL gene mutation may respond
favorably to treatment with the drug imatinib (Gleevec®).
Treatment
For most CMML patients, the disease is treatable but not curable, with the
therapies currently available. Patients are advised to seek treatment from a
physician who is experienced in treating CMML or from a physician who is in
consultation with a center or physician who has experience treating the
disease.
The type of treatment depends on several patient factors, including the
Nature and extent of symptoms
Need for rapid disease control
Eligibility for stem cell transplantation
Overall health and quality of life.
Drug Therapy. There is no one standard treatment for CMML. Treatment
for previously untreated or relapsed patients may include standard-dose or low
dose cytarabine (Cytosar-U®), etoposide (VePesid®) and
hydroxyurea (Hydrea®). Treatment with these agents has been useful
for a small number of patients.
Azacitidine (Vidaza®) and decitabine (Dacogen®),
approved for treating MDS, are also approved
for treating CMML. However, the effectiveness of these two agents for CMML
treatment requires further study.
Imatinib (Gleevec®) is used to treat the small percentage of
patients who have the PDGFR-B and TEL gene mutation. This
treatment usually leads to a return to normal blood counts, cytogenetic
remissions and, occasionally, molecular remissions.
Stem Cell Transplantation. Allogeneic stem cell transplantation has
been used to treat and sometimes cure CMML patients. This option is available to
a small number of patients - generally younger patients who are not responding
to therapy and who have an appropriate stem cell donor.
For more information about stem cell transplantation, please see the free LLS
booklet Blood and
Marrow Stem Cell Transplantation.
Clinical Trials
The goal of clinical trials for CMML is to improve treatment and quality of
life and to increase survival. Patients are encouraged to talk to their
physicians about whether taking part in a clinical trials would be a good
treatment option for them. Patients can also call the Information Resource
Center (IRC) for more information about clinical trials for CMML.
Therapies currently under study for CMML treatment include
Decitabine (Dacogen®) - studied for use in combination with other
agents such as vorinostat (Zolinza®) and arsenic trioxide
(Trisenox®)
Fusion protein DT388 GM-CSF (granulocyte macrophage-colony stimulating
factor) - studies indicate that the fusion of DT388 (a toxin) with GM-CSF
allows the targeting of cells with GM-CSF receptors, such as CMML cells
Reduced-intensity allogeneic stem cell transplantation - an alternative for
patients who do not respond to drug therapy and are not eligible for allogeneic
stem cell transplants because of older age or other health risks.
Outcomes
Patients are advised to discuss survival information with their physicians.
The reported median survival of individuals diagnosed with CMML is 12 to 24
months after the start of treatment. Keep in mind that outcome data can show how
other people with CMML responded to treatment, but cannot predict how any one
person will respond. Also, statistics may underestimate survival to a small
degree since they may not reflect the most recent advances in treatment.
Many factors influence patient survival. Factors that may indicate a less
favorable outcome include
Severe anemia
High blast percentage
High total leukocyte (white cell) count
High LDH level
Larger spleen size
In about 20 percent of CMML patients, the disease progresses to acute
myelogenous leukemia (AML).
Get More information
For more information about CMML, read or order online the free LLS fact sheet Chronic
myelomonocytic leukemia (CMML) and juvenile myelomonocytic leukemia
(JMML)
Hello Greg.. and everyone, so strange to find this thread as I have been on the dbcl list for so long off and on for three and half years, we recently had a scare with my husband and his survival was mot looking good that we got right up to heavens door, when I got him to the settle and a ambulance got us to u of Washington, we had a appointment at scca but never made it he ended up in ICU,, and now has cmml and myleiod sacroma. a ct scan show his body full of enlarged lymph nodes with blockages in bowel and stomach, his kidneys liver were also involved along with the org, stop by the aortic where his B cell was 3 and a half years ago,, up in upper left area f his body including the throat area, etc, he was also septic when I got him here, but i have spent the last three weeks research thing cancer, he did a 3 in 7 chemo and the bone marrow taken at day 14 shows no blast cells, which he is now looking better then I have seen him in a long long time and getting up today by himself, he is getting blood, platelets and plasma, we have to hope his counts will rise and we will do another bone marrow in two to three weeks hopefully, and see if the marrow is recovering or we are well we are not going there now, the doctors here are great, but I have seen three attending doctors so far all very good in the leukemia dept. but I will be glad to share some of the sights I have gone too, and how I research his results and can understand how this is such a rare rare cancer, but hopefully they are coming to a plan to extended the life of all of these patients.
doing the happy dance for the lack of blast cells today!! nanook
Hi
I will pray that all continues to to well for you.
Joni
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