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Grog   83 posts since
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75. Nov 9, 2009 9:36 PM in response to: jsitko
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Wife did another round of bloodwork today and platelets or down to lowest point so far 32000. She was suppose to have treatment with a chemo drug called Rituxan, but we found an article dated April of this year about a dangerous side effect from this treatment. So wife canceled the treatment and has a meeting with Dr on 19th to see what other med or chemo to use. Web address for article is.

 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/150657.php

Grog   83 posts since
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76. Nov 20, 2009 10:27 AM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi to everyone hope all doing well.

 

     Another round of blood work and meeting with Dr. The results of blood work have not changed and platelet is still low and Monocytes or high. Dr says that the Prednasone seems to have improved the blood numbers like red cell etc. But the low platelets counts continue. Dr now thinks that Prednasone has stopped the attack on red cells but that the immune system is still attacking the platelets so reason they or still low. She also said that transfusion of platelets would not work to bring up numbers as immune system would attack them also and the numbers would fall off within one hour of doing so. I believe this is call ITP Immune Thrombocytopenic purpura say that 100 times real fast. One of the treatments for it brings us back to Rituxan, there is a new treatment for ITP that is in closing stages of  clinical trials called AMG 531 that looks very promising.I don't know where all this fits in with the Dr first telling wife that she had CMML. Wife is now going to reduce her dosage of Prednasone avery two to three days with two more rounds of blood work and meeting with Dr. first Thursday of Dec. to talk over the treatment for this. Wife still looks good and has or seems to have lots of energy don't know how much of this is from the Prednasone.

jsitko   29 posts since
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77. Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi,

 

  It seems that ITP is a better diagnosis than CMML.  In any event, I have been on Vidaza. It's 7 days with shots then a rest for 3 weeks.  I'm starting my second round.  After the first round my platelets were up to 200!!!!  That's the best they've been.  We're very optomistic.  Please keep in touch.  I'll keep you in my prayers.

 

Joni

 

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Grog   83 posts since
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78. Nov 25, 2009 6:50 PM in response to: jsitko
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi Joni

 

     I hope and pray that things or going well for you.

 

Joy just got back from first bloodwork up after starting to back off Prednasone she is down to 40mg today from 60. The bloodwork had been normal except for Monocytic and platelets while on it, but it did not look good as everything is low except the Monocytic which is high. At lest platelates or staying above 30000 but keep changing up or down each time they do bloodwork. Dr told us last week that if this happened it meant the Prednasone had not stopped the immune attack on her blood. I was so sad when wife told me the results that I just had to leave the room as I didn't want her to she me cry. I don't want to scare her or make her feel bad about all this. I'm trying to keep a happy out look on all this and not slip into any more attacks of depression. ( I don't like being there)

jsitko   29 posts since
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79. Nov 30, 2009 9:50 AM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi,

 

  I'm optomistic right now. I'm down to 20 mg prednisone.  I started Vidaza last month.  My counts are much better.  My platelets were normal for the first time in years.  Even before my diagnosis of CMML my platelets were always low.  My monocytes are  still high, but I'm hoping that will improve. I get vidaza in shot form.  My other option was dacogen which would have been an IV for 5 days each month. Maybe something like this is an option for your wife, unless of course she doesn't have CMML or myelodysplastic syndrome at all.  In any event, good luck.  I will pray for you too.  I hope people are praying for us.

 

Joni

 

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Grog   83 posts since
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80. Nov 26, 2009 7:47 AM in response to: jsitko
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Wife and I meet with Dr next Thursday to talk about meds or Chemo. Dr brought up using Rituxan again and said that the side effect that we pointed out was very rare. There is a new treatment for low platelets called AMG 531 but has not been approved by FDA, It has been put on fast track for approval. Dr has talked about Vidaza and Decogen but didn't seem to want to use these until after stopping the immune systems attack on her blood.

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81. Nov 30, 2009 10:04 AM in response to: MaryCarol
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

I'm new to this site and like everyone else I'm trying to figure out my "direction".

I was diagnosed with CMML mid-August 2009 following a routine cbc.  I had been tired, easily out of breath...a flight of stairs felt like Mt. Everest, and had severe restless leg syndrome.  I'm 57 years old and have been managing my parents failing health since May, I just thought I was worn out from the stress.

 

Since then I have been under the care of a Hematologist/Oncologist.  He started me on Hydrea late September following a blood transfussion and iron infussion.  In the last three months my rbc has gone from 6 to 12.6, wbc from 50,000 to 6,800, and platlets from 46 into the normal range, they bounce the most of all my counts.  I'm responding very well to the meds, like many others, have been told I'm too old for a stem cell transplant.

 

I decided to get a second opinion at Mayo.  They feel I should do the transplant, now, while I'm healthy.  My only living brother is not a match so I've been looking further into all of this trying to decide what, when and where I would get the best outcome.  Seattle has done the most transplants and is number 1 in the states, followed by the University of Minnesota.  Go figure, I would have thought Mayo would be in the forefront. 

 

Bottom line; after discussion with my primary Hemoc doc, he feels that it's too early and I would be changing my quality of life for something uncertain.

His feeling is, as long as my meds are holding me stable I should not jump at the transplant. 

 

I am curious what you found out in Seattle and what their thoughts were on when it is best to seriously consider the transplant.  My doc feels I will do well for at least a couple of years but we have all seen the stats on the lifetime of this disease so I don't want to wait too long.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated!

Grog   83 posts since
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82. Nov 30, 2009 2:12 PM in response to: Heatherb
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi Heatherb and welcome!

 

Like you my wife is just starting down this road and is not sure where or what to do. We have been told by several people to get a second opinion. Wife is looking at going to Omaha Med Center as she has been told they have some very good Dr in this field. She has a very close friend she grow up with who lives in Seattle. Her friend is also a Nurse and gives these types of med's to Leukemia sufferers. Wife has been on phone with her about taking Rituxan and friend said that she has given this treatment to lots of people with Leukemia and or auto immune problems.

jsitko   29 posts since
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83. Dec 1, 2009 4:02 PM in response to: Heatherb
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi,

 

  I was diagnosed last spring.  I, too, have had several opinions.  First the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, then Sloan Kettering, then Mayo. I tried Gleevec for 4 months.  I don't have the gene mutation, so it didn't work for me at all.  I'm on my second round of vidaza.  My counts after the first round were greatly improved.  My hem-onc doc thinks I shouldn't even consider the transplant while the chemo is making a difference.  He told me that would be a last resort.

 

  Good Luck, please keep in touch.

 

Joni

 

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Grog   83 posts since
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84. Dec 3, 2009 9:15 PM in response to: jsitko
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

HI Jsitko

 

Wife and I asked a lot of questions today, I think we where more prepared instead of just over-whelmed by all this. I asked sense Dr had Dx CMML and Leukemia of course is the last letter does that mean my wife has cancer. Her answer was no that CMML used to be part of or believed to be Leukemia at one time but in 2001 WHO changed it to Myelodysplastic/Myeloprolifertive Diseases. She went on to say that ITP was also included in this as well as Evans Disease. She said that Dr's still call it CMML because they understand what they or talking about better when they use the old name. Go figure. We asked if delaying the treatment with Rituxan be a problem as we wanted to get a second opinion and she said no. So we are going to Omaha Med Center to get this and wife's Dr's office is setting this all up. We just have to wait for Med Center to call with the date and time as her med records and test our being set up to them and they will review them before seeing us.

 

Wife was taking 20mg of prednasone today and bloodwork was not good all numbers or back to where they were before she started taking it. Lucky for her the platelet count is staying above 30000 and not dropping below that.

jsitko   29 posts since
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85. Dec 4, 2009 5:22 PM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hello,

 

  It's always good to get another opinion.  I got 3 opinions about my illness.  Please keep in touch.

 

Joni

 

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Collyn Arrioja   21 posts since
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86. Dec 4, 2009 3:45 PM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

I also got another opinion from UCSF and Kaiser would not pay for this consult I am still paying for it and additional tests, but you will more information. When I ask for things from my Kaiser Doctors they will tell me different things than the doctors at UCSF and  Stanford. CMML is so rare they say they do not have studies on this disease so when my Kaiser doctors demands studies before she will give me a off label drug the doctors at Stanford tell me she does not know what she is talking about. this is what the leukemia site states on CMML: Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia: A form of atypical chronic myelogenous leukemia characterized  by an increase in the number of circulating monocytes, a type of white blood  cell. Although the cells in this disease have chromosomal abnormalities, they do  not contain the Ph chromosome. The disease is more progressive and less  responsive to treatment than classical chronic myelogenous leukemia, which is  associated

with the Ph chromosome.

 

My best to all of you and I am working on accepting that I have this and it is scary. My counselor says I need to be around people who make me happy. This is harder than I thought. Thanks for all of you

Collyn

Collyn Arrioja   21 posts since
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87. Dec 4, 2009 3:58 PM in response to: Grog
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

here is what the site says on drug treatment:

Understanding CMML

Incidence

Signs and Symptoms

Diagnosis

Treatment

Clinical Trials

Outcomes

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Understanding CMML

Chronic myelomonocytic leukemia (CMML) is an uncommon blood cancer that has

features of two other types of blood cancers. For this reason, the World Health

Organization (WHO) classified CMML as a "mixed myelodysplastic/

myeloproliferative disease." This relatively new classification (2001) is

expected to lead to a better understanding of the disease and to the development

of more effective treatments.

CMML begins with one or more changes (mutations) to the DNA of a type of

white cell called a "monocyte." When monocytes leave the blood and enter the

tissues, they attack invading organisms, help combat infection and assist other

blood cells, such as lymphocytes, in carrying out their immune functions.

Monocytes arise from immature blood-forming cells called "myeloblasts" and

"myelocytes."

In CMML, myeloblasts and myelocytes accumulate in the marrow and in other

organs, interfering with the normal production of monocytes and other types of

blood cells, including red blood cells and platelets. Monocytes represent about

5 to 10 percent of the cells in normal blood.

The World Health Organization categorized CMML into two subtypes according to

the percentage of blast cells (blasts) found in the blood and marrow

     

  • CMML-1 - Less than 5 percent blasts in the blood and less than 10 percent

blasts in the marrow

     

  • CMML-2 - 5 to 19 percent blasts in the blood and 10 to 19 percent blasts in

the marrow

In most healthy individuals, blast cells represent less than 5 percent of

developing marrow cells.

Incidence

It is estimated that CMML affects approximately 3 out of 100,000 individuals

in the United States each year. The disease generally affects older adults.

Seventy-five percent of patients are older than 60 years at the time of

diagnosis and there are approximately twice as many male CMML patients as female

CMML patients.

Signs and Symptoms

Signs and symptoms may include

     

  • Weakness and fatigue due to low red cell counts (anemia)

     

  • Petechiae (pinhead-sized sites of bleeding in the skin), bruising and

bleeding due to low platelet counts (thrombocytopenia)

     

  • Infections due to low white cell counts (leukopenia)

     

  • Enlargement of the spleen and/or liver

     

  • Feeling of fullness below the ribs due to spleen enlargement

Diagnosis

A CMML diagnosis generally cannot be confirmed after one lab test result

shows abnormal blood counts. The diagnosis can only be confirmed after a patient

has been monitored for a period of time with repeat lab tests to rule out other

forms of myelodysplastic syndromes (MDS) or myeloproliferative disorders

(MPDs).

The tests typically used in diagnosis include blood tests and bone marrow

aspiration and biopsy to check for

     

  • A persistent elevated monocyte count in the blood (greater than

1,000/microliter of blood)

     

  • Less than 20 percent blasts in the blood or marrow

     

  • Signs of abnormalities in one or more types of precursor cells that develop

into red cells, certain types of white cells or platelets.

Other diagnostic tests may include

     

  • X-rays and/or CT scans of the abdomen and pelvis to check for an enlarged

spleen or liver

     

  • Cytogenetic tests to confirm the absence of the Philadelphia (Ph) chromosome

or the BCR-ABL rearrangement gene. The Ph chromosome is an abnormality of

chromosome 22 found in the marrow and blood cells of CML patients

     

  • Blood and urine tests to check for elevated "lysozyme" levels. Lysozyme is

an enzyme found in saliva, tears and some immune cells such as monocytes

     

  • Blood tests to detect elevated levels of proteins such as "lactate

dehydrogenase" (LDH) and "beta 2-microglobulin." LDH levels may become elevated

when there is tissue damage in the body. Beta 2-microglobulin may increase due

to increased production or reduction of white cells, inflammation or certain

types of cancer.

Genetic Mutations. Twenty to 40 percent of CMML patients have

chromosomal abnormalities. About 1 to 4 percent of patients have an abnormality

known as a translocation involving the PDGFR-B and TEL genes. In a

translocation, a piece of one chromosome breaks off and attaches to another

chromosome, which can lead to the development of a cancer gene (oncogene).

Patients with the PDGFR-Band TEL gene mutation may respond

favorably to treatment with the drug imatinib (Gleevec®).

Treatment

For most CMML patients, the disease is treatable but not curable, with the

therapies currently available. Patients are advised to seek treatment from a

physician who is experienced in treating CMML or from a physician who is in

consultation with a center or physician who has experience treating the

disease.

The type of treatment depends on several patient factors, including the

     

  • Nature and extent of symptoms

     

  • Need for rapid disease control

     

  • Eligibility for stem cell transplantation

     

  • Overall health and quality of life.

Drug Therapy. There is no one standard treatment for CMML. Treatment

for previously untreated or relapsed patients may include standard-dose or low

dose cytarabine (Cytosar-U®), etoposide (VePesid®) and

hydroxyurea (Hydrea®). Treatment with these agents has been useful

for a small number of patients.

Azacitidine (Vidaza®) and decitabine (Dacogen®),

approved for treating MDS, are also approved

for treating CMML. However, the effectiveness of these two agents for CMML

treatment requires further study.

Imatinib (Gleevec®) is used to treat the small percentage of

patients who have the PDGFR-B and TEL gene mutation. This

treatment usually leads to a return to normal blood counts, cytogenetic

remissions and, occasionally, molecular remissions.

Stem Cell Transplantation. Allogeneic stem cell transplantation has

been used to treat and sometimes cure CMML patients. This option is available to

a small number of patients - generally younger patients who are not responding

to therapy and who have an appropriate stem cell donor.

For more information about stem cell transplantation, please see the free LLS

booklet Blood and

Marrow Stem Cell Transplantation.

Clinical Trials

The goal of clinical trials for CMML is to improve treatment and quality of

life and to increase survival. Patients are encouraged to talk to their

physicians about whether taking part in a clinical trials would be a good

treatment option for them. Patients can also call the Information Resource

Center (IRC) for more information about clinical trials for CMML.

Therapies currently under study for CMML treatment include

     

  • Decitabine (Dacogen®) - studied for use in combination with other

agents such as vorinostat (Zolinza®) and arsenic trioxide

(Trisenox®)

     

  • Fusion protein DT388 GM-CSF (granulocyte macrophage-colony stimulating

factor)  - studies indicate that the fusion of DT388 (a toxin) with GM-CSF

allows the targeting of cells with GM-CSF receptors, such as CMML cells

     

  • Reduced-intensity allogeneic stem cell transplantation - an alternative for

patients who do not respond to drug therapy and are not eligible for allogeneic

stem cell transplants because of older age or other health risks.

Outcomes

Patients are advised to discuss survival information with their physicians.

The reported median survival of individuals diagnosed with CMML is 12 to 24

months after the start of treatment. Keep in mind that outcome data can show how

other people with CMML responded to treatment, but cannot predict how any one

person will respond. Also, statistics may underestimate survival to a small

degree since they may not reflect the most recent advances in treatment.

Many factors influence patient survival. Factors that may indicate a less

favorable outcome include

     

  • Severe anemia

     

  • High blast percentage

     

  • High total leukocyte (white cell) count

     

  • High LDH level

     

  • Larger spleen size

In about 20 percent of CMML patients, the disease progresses to acute

myelogenous leukemia (AML).

Get More information

For more information about CMML, read or order online the free LLS fact sheet Chronic

myelomonocytic leukemia (CMML) and juvenile myelomonocytic leukemia

(JMML)

brickandnanook   12 posts since
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88. Dec 9, 2009 10:01 PM in response to: Collyn Arrioja
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hello Greg.. and everyone, so strange to find this thread as I have been on the dbcl list for so long off and on for three and half years, we recently had a scare with my husband and his survival was mot looking good that we got right up to heavens door, when I got him to the settle and a ambulance got us to u of Washington, we had a appointment at scca but never made it he ended up in ICU,, and  now has cmml and myleiod sacroma. a ct scan show his body full of enlarged lymph nodes with blockages in bowel and stomach, his kidneys liver were also involved along with the org, stop by the aortic where his B cell was 3 and a half years ago,, up in upper left area f his body including the throat area, etc, he was also septic when I got him here, but i have spent the last three weeks research thing cancer, he did a 3 in 7 chemo and the bone  marrow taken at day 14 shows no blast cells, which he is now looking better then I have seen him in a long long time and getting up today by himself, he is getting blood, platelets and plasma, we have to hope his counts will rise and we will do another bone marrow in two to three weeks hopefully, and see if the marrow is recovering or we are    well we are not going there now, the doctors here are great, but I have seen three attending doctors so far all very good in the leukemia dept. but I will be glad to share some of the sights I have gone too, and how I research his results and can understand how this is such a rare rare cancer, but hopefully they are coming to a plan to extended the life of all of these patients. doing the happy dance for the lack of blast cells today!!  nanook

jsitko   29 posts since
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89. Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM in response to: brickandnanook
Re: are there people out there with CMML?

Hi

 

  I will pray that all  continues to to well for you.

 

Joni

 

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