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TEDBDD   14 posts since
May 26, 2009
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Nov 17, 2009 3:57 PM

Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Does anyone out there have experience with peripheral neuropathy of the toes and feet in conjunction with CML treatment?  I have been on Tasigna..then Gleevec...and now on Sprycel.  I noticed my toes getting numb about a year ago and now it seems to be spreading to the balls of my feet.  From searching the Web, I don't see much that can be done...but I am interested if others have had the same experience.  Tom in KY

barlee1   67 posts since
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1. Nov 17, 2009 5:28 PM in response to: TEDBDD
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

I didn't have CML drugs, but rather AML drugs and have had numb toes and forefeet for 5+ years.  Initially it started with an induction round of chemo which landed me in the ICU.  When I came out, 3 weeks later, I had numb feet.  A neurologist (who didn't know much about  cancer side effects) pronounced it as Critical Illness Myopathy and said it would either go away within 18 months or else be with me forever most likely.  My oncologist hadn't seen this side effect prior, so went with the neurologist's evaluation.  Initially I had sharp, shooting pains in my feet and legs which were treated effectively with Neurontin.  I no longer have pains.  Just very cold, numb feet.  I got no guidance on the problem during transplant.  Later, I saw a podiatrist who sees cancer patients and he said that there are some chemo drugs that can cause this.  My guess is that I had one of them.  You might want to google the drugs you've had and add "peripheral neuropathy" to the search and see if anything comes up.  It's been so long, I don't recall what the meds were, but I definitely had one or 2 that can cause this side effect.  Other than it effecting my balance a bit, it hasn't caused me any real problems.  I just try to wear supportive shoes, avoid going barefooted (drat!) and keep moving.  I guess my career as a ballerina is not going to happen!  Best of luck. Let us know if you find out anything further.

td1961   101 posts since
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2. Nov 18, 2009 12:35 PM in response to: TEDBDD
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Hi Tom,

 

I'm relatively new to Sprycel after taking high dose Gleevec for six years. No, I haven't had numbness in the toes (Yet! Knock on wood!). I have had numbness in my fingers/hands, mostly during the day. And especially when I do repetitive work like typing on the computer, clicking the mouse, etc. And no, I didn't have it prior to going on Sprycel. So, I don't think its carpal tunnel or tennis elbow.  At night, the numbness turns to what I call arthritis-like pain. I say arthritis-like because it hasn't been officially diagnosed yet as "arthritis." The pain is intense at times, say an 8 - 10 on the scale. I've tried Tylenol, Aleve, Advil, Celebrex, Toprician and Aspercreame with varying degrees of success (or lack thereof). So far, no combination of NSAID and topical cream is completely effective. Other than a re-occurrence of my teenage acne that I thought was banished long ago, the most irritating side effects have been from the numbness and joint pain in my hands! Considering the digestive track problems and muscle cramps I had with gleevec, I guess I'm batting a pretty good game with Sprycel although I am getting pretty tired, having had less sleep with the pain and all. Other patients here have told me that the numbness and pain they've had have greatly reduced or been eliminated over time and I pray that's the case with me. QOL is a huge issue for me! If all I had to do is put up with the acne, I'd be dancing a jig. Well, almost... But considering the alternative, I guess we have no choice but to put up with some of the tradeoffs. That, or get real familiar with worm farming! Regards, Tracy

Trey   613 posts since
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5. Nov 18, 2009 7:18 PM in response to: TEDBDD
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Numbness in fingers and toes is listed as a "more common" side effect of Sprycel.  See side effects chart below:

 

http://cancercare.on.ca/common/pages/UserFile.aspx?fileId=11266

 

By the way, it says: "May return to normal after treatment."  Huh???

td1961   101 posts since
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6. Nov 18, 2009 8:49 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

So Trey, what do they mean by that? DAH! It did say above Headache/Joint and Muscle Pain to take Tylenol??? I thought that was contraindicated?What the heck? Tracy

Trey   613 posts since
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7. Nov 18, 2009 9:24 PM in response to: td1961
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Health care people are taught to love Tylenol.  But it is hard on the liver, so we should avoid it.  Motrin and Naproxin are generally better for those who take other drugs that make the liver work harder.

td1961   101 posts since
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8. Nov 18, 2009 10:38 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Trey, Roger That! QSL! Best, Tracy

jill   33 posts since
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9. Nov 19, 2009 3:00 PM in response to: TEDBDD
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

I have had neuropathy for 5 yrs. & go to a neurologist that specializes in neuropathy. I was checked for all the normal causes for neuropathy ie. diabetes, alcoholism, certain cancers-I cannot for the life of me remember the names of them. I had the neuropathy for 3 yrs. before I was diagnosed with the CML, so it wasn't from the Gleevec I take for that. The neurologist can only find 1 thing that could have caused the neuropathy-the CML. The Onc Doc said he thought I probobly had CML for about 3 yrs. before they caught it. He had no idea that the Neurologist said that the CML was probobly the reason I had the neuropathy & that I had that for 3 years. So who really knows-I just know that it's not from my CML med's. Doesn't mean that yours couldn't be from your CML med's. I do know that certain kinds of cancer therapies do cause neuropathy-but it's not ususally the targeted therapies-it's the kind of chemo that kills not only just the cancer but even the good cells.

My neuropathy spread from my toes to just under my knee's. I also have it in my hands-mostly just from the first knuckle up. But they do tend to get cramped up when I type or rake ect. It seems to have stopped spreading in the last couple of yrs. But I still have pain. I take neurontin which helps with the pain. I walk like a drunk, and have had a few falls and broken toes. I even have had some gigantic slivers in the bottoms of my feet! I find if I exercise like walking on a treadmill or riding the recombant bike helps with my walking. I can't stand on my feet for very long before they really cause me pain or if they get to cold or to hot. It's hard to know whether they are to cold or hot because you cannot feel it-you just feel pain like swelling & like needles poking you & matches burning you. Strange! Hope everything works out with you & it doesn't get any worse. Going to a neurologist that knows about neuropathy (not all do, just like Onc Doc's and CML) can help out with it. Run the right tests and such, put you on the right med's. Outside of that not much can be done about it unless it is caught early & if it is because of med's maybe they can change them. You never know? Good Luck!!!!!     jill

houtex54   39 posts since
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11. Nov 23, 2009 2:03 PM in response to: TEDBDD
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Tom,

 

Never give up.  New discoveries happen every day - particularly in neurochemical transmission pathways...

 

Scientific American had an article in the November issue, "New Culprits in Chronic Pain" by R Douglas Fields.  The article identifies hyperactive glial cells as responsible for chronic pain. These cells release glial factor chemicals and cytokines in response to large amounts of neurotransmitters at nerve junctions which are themselves produced by the neurons in order to transmit a message of pain.  Glial factor chemicals reduce neural inhibitory forces or stimulate neurons allowing the cells to fire more easily.  Cytokines produce an inflammatory response that helps mobilize the immune system to repair and heal the damage (that the neuron was reporting as pain to start with).  Because of this enhanced pain transmission ability, the endorphin pain suppression pathway is overloaded, and increased opiate dosage is needed to relieve the pain.  Since this opiate tolerance can lead to addiction, control of the glial enhancement effect is an important discovery.  An example of the overcompensating inflammatory response of cytokines is observable in the large area of swelling and redness surrounding a very small area of actual injury caused by a splinter.  The excessive inflammation response is thought to be the body's way of making us leave an injured area alone so that it will heal properly. 

Several drugs are being investigated to exploit this new understanding.  One takes advantage of the fact that endorphin site suppression by glial factor chemicals can be bypassed by enhancing a cannabinoid neural pathway that also suppresses pain.  Other drugs are being tested that suppress activity of microglial cells and astrocytes that produce the neurochemicals that cause certain types of neuropathy and other chronic pain. 

I hope the neurologist has good news for you!

Doug

Larry Smith   26 posts since
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12. Nov 23, 2009 11:21 PM in response to: houtex54
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Started on Sprycel in July of 08 and numbness just started in left hand 4 weeks ago.  Thunb and forefinger are totally numb.  Saw my regular doc today and they are doing an electrical test on the arm next week.  I was hoping I could tell the doc that it would go away because it is related to the medicine, I have had the electrical pathway test before and yes I am a wimp and don't want to do it again.  Did anyone else start small and progress to whole hand or foot?

 

Trey thanks for the link - I am going to show the side effects to my general doc.

 

Larry

roamingdoc83   44 posts since
Oct 13, 2009
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13. Nov 28, 2009 10:55 AM in response to: jill
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

Jill, let me ask for clarification... are you saying that the Neurologist told you that CML 'was' causing some of your

neuropathy symptoms? I ask because since being diagnosed with CML in early Oct. I've noticed a slight increase in

what was a 'arthritic' based neuropathy into my hands. I can alleviate it with a bit of Ibuprofen and inversion traction

but it does come back... Thanks .

 

Doc

Nick   1 posts since
Nov 28, 2009
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14. Nov 28, 2009 3:04 PM in response to: roamingdoc83
Re: Peripheral Neuropathy associated with CML drugs (Numb toes)

My peripheral neuropahy started in July 2009 - 8 months after diagnosis of CMML and 2 months before I started on Azacytidine.

I have now had 3 cycles of Aza with toe numbness still there. Additionally I now have the occasional feeling of a band over the front of my ankle.

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