Hello,
I'm usually over on the "my child has cancer" board, but today I have a question for the adults. When applying for health insurance, is AML considered a "pre-existing" condition? Do you pay higher premiums? How do you list it and do you have to include your cardiology (or any other late effects) history? Any info on this would be greatly appreciated! My son is only 5 yrs. old and we are only 18 months post-treatment for AML M2 t(8,21), so for many years he will still be on my husbands (retired military) policy, but we were asked this question last night re: his ability to get health insurance as an adult AND AML survivor. Frankly, I had never thought that far into the future--I just went from living hour-hour, to month-month and recently graduated to living life in 2 month chunks, so worrying about my son at 21 years old hasn't been a luxury I've afforded myself, lol.
Thanks,
I don't post on the AML board, but I think that's a very good question, and that's why I'm joining in. I think this question is relevant to many of the boards.
My brother is 22 with relapsed ALL, going to do a transplant in a few months. He is under my father's health insurance still, but I believe that is only until he is 24. It's so worrying, as I have no idea how he's going to get insurance after he "ages out" of my parents' health insurance, as he will probably still be needing a lot of follow-up care at that point. (Especially worrying when you look at the costs of transplants!)
This might be better asked on the Financial and Insurance Issues forum which is hidden under the Cancer-Related Issues link on the main page.
I used to sell health insurance in the early 80s but the industry is changed a lot since then. I'm sure AML qualifies as a pre-existing in any policy that includes that exclusion (which is all of them, so far as I know). The rule they used to have was that one needed to go 90 or 180 days without treatment, which I would expect to include having routine blood work done of a visit with the doc when there's a a history of AML
Again, I figure it's changed some since I was in the bidness. Not sure what they could've done with it, though.
I'm not sure what they do with private insurance as I was in the group business. The basic rule of thumb was that the insured employee would have to pay for all pre-existing related costs while s/he would be covered for anything else. I think in some policies, coverage for the pre-existing happened after a year, one way or the other. However, that was nearly 30 years ago and I've slept a few times since then.
Check out the insurance forum. I'm guess there are people who are much more informed on the current situation these days.
Hopefully, however, whatever they wind up doing to the health care program, they will be taking care of pre-existing clauses well before your son needs to worry about getting his own health care.
Blessings
Thanks Tex, you always have all the answers![]()
Klista
I don't even pretend to know all there is to know about insurance, but one suggestion is, NEVER let his insurance lapse for any reason. I went seamlessly from my COBRA plan in another state, to my new employer's plan, which was a PPO----PPOs often have exclusion rules, or waiting periods, that HMOs don't. Anyway, I didn't have any problem getting immediate coverage, they said it was because I had never let my insurance lapse between plans for even a day. So something to keep in mind.
If we ever have "health insurance reform"----and I don't for a moment want to open that whole can of worms----hopefully it will include the abolition of denials or waiting periods for pre-existing conditions. We can hope anyway.
Pam
Well, please remember my answers are based on experiences from nearly 30 years ago. Do your due dilligence in examining whatever you might consider in the future.
Blessings
Klista --
My son is 16 months old -- and an AML survivor. We have wondered the same thing. The one thing that we know at this point -- as long as you go from group insurance to group insurance and don't let it lapse for more than 30 days, pre-existing conditions do not matter. It's when you do not have group insurance or let it lapse for more than 30 days that there are problems. We jokingly say that our son will never own his own business! But seriously, he'll have to have steady insurance from now until the end of time. With this economy, my husband and I talk about how we will both always have to have a job with good insurance in case something ever happens to one of our positions. Lots more to worry about...
Natasha
It is difficult with young adults.
My son was 18 when diagnosed, 20 when transplanted. One thing you have to watch for is lifetime maximum out of pocket per person. Our policy was 2 million and my son had used up 1 million 950 thousand, with aml, relapse, transplant and living in the hospital over a year. Fortunately, on yearly renemal, our employer changed carriers, and with a new carrier my son started the 2 million lifetime benefits all over.
Originally he was only supposed to be provided coverage to age 24 however the insurance laws have changed throughout the country, varying from state to state, and he will be covered to age 30 by cigna with stipulation. I understand military insurance is different.
My son actually chose a field that he can work for a larger company to get insurance benefits. He knows that probably no private insurance company would pick him up because of his history.
I do have concerns over the timeframe when he goes from our insurance to an employee based insurance and if they would cover the preexisting conditions or if he would have to wait a year, i am glad to hear of pams experience with that.
I found it extremely stressful worrying that my son was going to max out and be insurance untouchable, all in the midst of him fighting for his life. Ridiculous.
mamawarrior wrote:
Originally he was only supposed to be provided coverage to age 24 however the insurance laws have changed throughout the country, varying from state to state, and he will be covered to age 30 by cigna with stipulation.
Mamawarrior, I'm curious - in your case did the coverage age change from 24 to 30 because of your insurance company, or specific state laws where you live? And what do you mean by "with stipulation"? My brother is 22 (pre-transplant), and as far as I know, only covered til 24 under my dad's insurance. Very worrisome, since his ALL has interrupted his studies, so he still only has one year of college done, so with no degree, even if his transplant goes really well and he could start working by 24, it would be harder to find a good job with good insurance since he still wouldn't have a degree. And more likely, if he wanted to go back to school, I'm not sure how finding coverage would work... It would be interesting to hear a bit more about your situation, to pass on ideas to my dad...
My son had relapsed one year into college also so he was in a very similar situation.
My oldest, his brother, had recieved a letter from the insurance company at age 24, entitled:
Florida's Non-Dependent "Adult Child" Eligibility Guidelines
It went on to state the florida 'mandate' that provides coverage for an adult child until the age of 30 under certain conditions including , unmarried, no dependents, resident of florida, or a full or part time student, and does not have coverage under any other health insurance policy or individual health benefits plan including medicare.
Needless to say, i called to verify this and my oldest who is 25 now is on our family insurance also. Apparently this law passed some time in 2008.
Each state is different so I would have your father check with the insurance provider and look into what the state law is for his state and the eligibility. And i believe that it does not apply to military.
I don't know how accurate this is but you can take a look at your state and make sure you read the statute or the bill. Florida says 25 but when you look at the link to the bill it has a clause about offering insurance until age 30. Again, i would call as i am not sure the accuracy of this link or how current the information is.
I have been spending some time lately looking into insurance options in case I need to change companies for my coverage. One thing I found helpful was to hit the state insurance commissioner's website, which had quite a bit of helpful information, including the relevant state laws, a list of insurance carriers in the state, broken down by counties, and also a list of the number of complaints received per each company and the companies' relative market share. All useful information, for sure.
Another thing I did was talk to some insurance brokers/agents and discuss the particulars of my situation. I found that as long as I did not allow my coverage to lapse for more than 63 days, and as long as I could be provided with a "certificate of credible coverage" from my current plan, I would be given credit towards any waiting period, either for a pre-existing condition, or for a transplant. The waiting period for pre-existing conditions for most policies in my state is 9 months; the waiting period for a transplant is generally 12 months. Therefore, as long as I had had continuous coverage for longer than the waiting period, and no lapse in coverage for longer than the 63 days, I would be able to obtain a private health insurance policy with no waiting periods. At that point, the question becomes the type of coverage needed and how much I can afford for monthly premiums, but I sure found the news that I was still insurable a huge relief. I, like a lot of people on this forum, assumed the insurance companies would hardly be falling all over themselves to insure me given my medical history, but what I found out is that I should be able to obtain suitable insurance as long as I can meet the above criteria.
Anyway, since each state is different, it's good to know there are resources out there to get one's questions answered, and a good broker or agent should either know the answers or be able to get them for you.
I do think MW brings up a valid point about the lifetime maximums, and transplant maximums also need to be considered if that might be in the cards. It's amazing how quickly those maximums can be eaten up.
- WBF
Very interesting WBF, i may have to print this out.
Another thing to check is the childs life insurance policy if they are on a rider that expires at a set birthdate. I was told by our insurance co. that they could pick up a policy at the time of expiration, no medical questions asked, and the rate would stay the same for life.