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Trey   616 posts since
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Mar 16, 2010 11:27 PM

Sprycel vs. Tasigna

I have tried to put together some information to help CML patients understand the second-line CML drugs, Sprycel (dasatinib) and Tasigna (nilotinib), so they can have a more informed discussion with their Onc when a drug change is being considered. When Gleevec fails or a patient becomes intolerant of it, the best second-line drug is the one that will most effectively control the CML and also provide an acceptable level of side effects. These two issues can be different for each person. So choosing the better second-line drug should be a thoughtful process, not merely a random selection.


Gleevec is currently the only drug approved to be used as the initial tyrosine kinase inhibiter (TKI) drug for treatment of CML. Sprycel or Tasigna are only allowed to be prescribed if Gleevec quits working (resistance), does not provide good results (suboptimal performance), or the side effects are unbearable. However, there is a considerable degree of latitude given to Oncs in determining that a switch is needed. Clinical trials are underway testing Sprycel and Tasigna as potential first-line drugs. More drugs are also being developed, which will make it tougher to choose a second-line drug, but that is good news. So the “problem” of choosing a second-line drug is a good problem to have.

Both Gleevec and Tasigna are Novartis drugs, and Sprycel is a Bristol-Meyers-Squibb drug. Tasigna is generally viewed as a stronger form of Gleevec that works in a similar way as Gleevec, but binds to the BCR-ABL more tightly than Gleevec (in overly simplified terms). So it can be thought of as a stronger form of Gleevec. Sprycel binds to the BCR-ABL differently than Gleevec or Tasigna, and binds in a different BCR-ABL location, which is why it does not violate the Gleevec patent. (If Tasigna was not a Novartis drug, it would violate the Gleevec patent since it is so similar in function.) But overall, both Sprycel and Tasigna are very effective drugs. Tasigna costs more than Sprycel, and both cost more than Gleevec at the lowest dosages. Tasigna is approved for Chronic and Accelerated CML phases, but not Blast phase. Sprycel is approved for all 3 phases. Tasigna has a bloodstream half-life of about 17 hours while Sprycel is only about 5 hours.


Technically speaking, Gleevec and Tasigna only shut down the inactive form of the leukemic gene BCR-ABL (i.e., when the gene is turned off). But Sprycel shuts down BCR-ABL in both active and inactive configurations, which has advantages. Gleevec and Tasigna inhibit BCR-ABL, cKit, & PDGR. Sprycel inhibits all those and also inhibits SRC. The additional SRC inhibition enables Sprycel to fight CML in some unique ways, but also causes a new form of side effects (such as the pleural effusion).


There is no right or wrong decision in choosing between these two drugs when Gleevec fails or one becomes intolerate due to side effects.  But my theory is that if Gleevec is not working, why not switch to the drug which is most unlike Gleevec.  Sprycel inhibits all the things that Gleevec and Tasigna inhibit, but also inhibits an enzyme/pathway in the cell called SRC which neither Gleevec nor Tasigna inhibit.  Sometimes the leukemia can do an end-run around the BCR-ABL process and use the SRC pathway as a back door to survive and regain control.  If you inhibit both BCR-ABL and SRC pathways, then you will more likely shut down the leukemic cells.  Also, Sprycel can kill off some intermediate level leukemic stem cells better than either Gleevec or Tasigna.  That is why I say that I would personally switch to Sprycel if forced to switch from Gleevec some day.  But you can also use the "flip the coin" method of chosing between Sprycel and Tasigna.  They are both very good drugs.  But remember that if there is a kinase mutation causing the Gleevec failure, then the drug choice should be made more carefully.


Oncs like to think in terms of progression of drug use based generally on what other Oncs have done (precedence). In the case of the TKI drugs, the theory seems to be that Gleevec was approved by the FDA first, then Sprycel, then Tasigna, so they often merely prescribe them in that order. Another issue is that Sprycel is “more different” from Gleevec than Tasigna, so it may be viewed by some Oncs as a more significant change. So a generally accepted theory of “Gleevec first, then Sprycel, then Tasigna” has developed, but not based on hard science. A business journal that covers the pharmaceutical industry says: “Sprycel currently commands a higher market share than Tasigna for CML, benefiting from its first-to-market advantage. However, physicians' perceptions of Sprycel and Tasigna show little differentiation, and there will be close competition for market share in the coming years.”

http://www.piribo.com/publications/diseases_conditions/cancer/stakeholder_insight_chronic_leukemias.html


In general, both Sprycel and Tasigna are effective after Gleevec failure, but each has its own strengths and weaknesses. The data on both drugs continues to be very encouraging for those who fail Gleevec, even when most mutations occur, with the notable exception of T315i.Recent papers cited below provide updates on large groups of CML patients who failed Gleevec, and how they have responded to both Sprycel and Tasigna.

The following paper provides a 2 year update on Sprycel (Dasatinib) effectiveness from the START-C group (387 CML patients) for those who failed Gleevec for intolerance or resistance (including mutations):
http://journals.lww.com/oncology-times/Fulltext/2008/02101/Dasatinib_Responses_Durable_in_Chronic_Phase_CML.16.aspx

The following paper provides an update on Tasigna (Nilotinib) effectiveness from a group of 321 CML patients for those who failed Gleevec for intolerance or resistance (including mutations).
http://www.cancernetwork.com/display/article/10165/1161471


Good overall paper on the issue:

http://www.cmlsupport.org.uk/?q=system/files/Mechanisms+of+Resistance+-+Imatinib.pdf


ASH 2009 paper on 2nd Generation TKI response:

http://ash.confex.com/ash/2009/webprogram/Paper22236.html


As I view it, there are several important issues to consider when selecting between Sprycel and Tasigna, depending on the cause of the Gleevec switch:

1) The most important issue to consider when switching drugs pertains to Gleevec resistance caused by a kinase mutation. This is why a kinase mutation test is important when Gleevec fails. If the drug switch is required because of resistance caused by an acquired kinase mutation, then the selection must be made carefully since Sprycel works better for some mutations, and Tasigna works better against others, and neither work against T315i. So the answer is not automatically one or the other. Here is a mutation effectiveness comparison chart for the two drugs:

http://www.cmlsupport.org.uk/?q=system/files/2007_O%C2%B4Hare_Blood_BCR-ABL+KD+Mutations_TKIs_0.pdf

(See Figure 1 in above link)

http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/content/full/114/10/2037#T5

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/30890

2) If the switch is needed due to Gleevec failure NOT related to a kinase mutation (so usually unknown cause), then the selection of the follow-on drug is often based on other issues, such as side effects profile. Otherwise the drugs can often be considered to be roughly equally effective. So the selection process might focus more on side effects. However, since Sprycel inhibits the SRC kinases (unlike Tasigna or Gleevec), Sprycel can work better as a second line drug if Gleevec failure is related to SRC issues (such as LYN over-expression, which will not be known).

3) If the switch is required because of some form of intolerance due to severe side effects, then the side effects issue becomes the foremost consideration. Each person has a unique set of side effects.

For #2 and 3 above, here is a good head-to-head comparison of Gleevec, Sprycel & Tasigna and does a very good job comparing the side effects of each:
http://www.hemonctoday.com/article.aspx?rid=30195
In general, the above link shows that Sprycel does not cause the muscle cramping or rash problems that Gleevec has as side effects. But Sprycel can be harder on the liver, can cause lower phosphate levels (necessary for electrolyte balance and good bone health), and has worse fluid retention issues (including possible fluid build-up in the lungs) compared to Gleevec. Gleevec can cause worse bone and muscle pain than the others. Tasigna seems to have the lowest overall side effects unless a person has some specific heart related issues (prolonged QT interval), although larger studies seem to show the QT interval issue is not as significant as once believed. Of course, side effects can vary from person to person.


Sprycel Specific Info:


Here are a couple detailed data sheets on Sprycel, for those taking it.  They provide a lot of information about the drug:

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/consumers/cmi/s/sprycel.htm

http://www.emea.europa.eu/humandocs/PDFs/EPAR/sprycel/H-709-en6.pdf

http://medguides.medicines.org.uk/document.aspx?name=Sprycel&use=Leukaemias%20%28chronic%29&preparation=1&section=full

Here is some information about Sprycel for those with sub-optimal responses to Gleevec:

Here are some useful links on Sprycel:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/sprycel_ad.htm

http://www.drugs.com/sprycel.html

Here is a support group forum called "Sprycel Talk":

http://www.newcmldrug.com/bms_discuss/default.asp

For those on Sprycel, here is the result of a study of pleural effusion (fluid build-up in the lung region) that included 138 Sprycel patients:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?tmpl=NoSidebar file&db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=17761974&dopt=AbstractPlus

Summary: Pleural effusion occurred in 48 of 138 Sprycel patients (35%); 17% of those were grade 3 or 4. It is more likely to occur in accelerated phase and blast phase. Management included temporary interruption, diuretics, pulse steroids, and thoracentesis (using a needle to draw out fluid). A twice-daily dosage schedule may result in a higher incidence of pleural effusion.

Here is some info about the Sprycel drug reimbursement program:
http://www.destinationaccess.com/index.aspx?bmscontentpg=sprycel


Tasigna Specific Info:

Here is some overview info on Tasigna:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155782.php

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/t/Tasignacap.htm


Here is a good comparison of Tasigna to Gleevec.  Essentially it shows that Tasigna works faster and better than Gleevec:

http://sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/50550/title/Best_choice_for_chronic_leukemia_treatment_may_change


Tasigna side effects are listed at this website, but there are usually others that pop up.
http://www.drugs.com/tasigna.html

Here are links to some detailed data on Tasigna, for those taking it.  They provide a lot of information about the drug:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/022068lbl.pdf

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/t/Tasignacap.htm

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/notices-avis/conditions/tasigna_fs_fd_110305-eng.php

http://www.us.tasigna.com/index.jsp?source=01030&irmasrc=AM7WB0014&campaign=AM7-900104&site=google&HBX_PK=www.koreatimes.co.kr&HBX_OU=50&usertrack.filter_applied=true&NovaId=7852773831525391078

The drug interaction checker says for both those drugs "generally avoid" combining these with Tasigna. The rationale is as follows:
"Theoretically, coadministration with other agents that can prolong the QT interval may increase the risk of ventricular arrhythmias, including ventricular tachycardia and torsade de pointes, because of additive arrhythmogenic potential related to their effects on cardiac conduction."
http://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php

Here is a group that discusses Tasigna, and you might want to post a question there also:
http://www.newcmldrug.com/amn_Discuss/default.asp

Here is some info about the Tasigna drug assistance program:

http://www.patientassistancenow.com/index.jsp?usertrack.filter_applied=true&NovaId=3350119567064113551

 

Pleural Effusion related to both Sprycel and Tasigna:

http://www.jhoonline.org/content/2/1/46

dee145   36 posts since
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1. Nov 17, 2009 8:13 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

Trey, call me stupid but in English terms are Sprycel and Tasigna about the same?  I am about ready to throw in the towel and just not take any chemo and just deal with whatever time I have left.  All the meds and side effects start working on you and I guess I am a weak person.  The Tasigna part about heart attacks scares me, leukemia won't kill me but the side effects will.  I can't get any help from any of the patient services cause they use last years income and that was alot more than now.  My husband had alot of overtime and I worked 2 part-time jobs but this year is a different story.

                              On my last nerve, Dee145

srt   12 posts since
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3. Nov 24, 2009 1:27 AM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

Trey I'd like to thank you for your post and thorough explanation! I have spent a lot of time researching my Leukemia, ALL+Ph, and how I was treated after dx. Your writings parallel my findings. My doc, just last week provided me the most recent drug information from lexi-comp that includes all current updates on adverse reactions and warnings. There are very minor wording differences from the info you posted, nothing significant. It seems each of us taking these drugs are still providing more info to the drug companys. Remember there are really no way to do trials on these drugs prior to giving them to sick people.

(Un)fortunately for me my dx came in early feb of 07, I was promptly placed on gleevec (that had just been approved) throughout my treatment that cummulated in (very unusual) auto sct transplant in sept 07 due to my unique genetics and no matched or even close matched donors.

In Jan of 08 I was switched to sprycel due to increasing sensitivity to gleevec, that was short lived due to skin rash and severe headaches. By mid february, and since, tasigna has been my companion. Both drugs had just been approved in november of 07 for use in treating cml.

I'm considered a giunea pig. Subsequent to my treatment I saw a clinical trial posted recruiting patients for a similar treatment course that I had just endured (a lot off heavy duty chemo and several exposures to total body radiation).

Now, I continue living each day in the form of the new me. I was spared the issues of gvhd, yet carry the effects of chemo, radiation and tasigna. I just passed 2 years since the transplant and can feel for anyone that has gone through treatment and drug therapy. One should not give up. I dread laying down to sleep, because I know when I awaken (2 or 3 times each night) I will bear the pain that I live. However, I know that after getting up things will get better for the day, unfortunately pain meds are involved.

I can sey that with tasigna muscle spasms are much reduced than when I took gleevec, yet I cannot comment on the period I took sprycel because it was brief and I was experiencing severe headaches, I could not tell what else was going on.

I will remain happy that the doctiors and scientists have given me more time, I hope never to relapse, and I hope the people working on cures and better drugs and treatments will bring us all a life without some of these undesirable side effects.

tinac21   36 posts since
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4. Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM in response to: srt
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

Thank you for this information. I think you've helped me discover the chest pain I have been having since I have started sprycel. I am printing this page now along with the info about Pleural effusion. I saw my onc roughly two months ago, and am due back next month. We both couldnt figure out what it could be, and it always went away on its on. I have had three chest pain accurances, so we will hopefully get a chest x-ray.

Sloater   75 posts since
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5. Nov 25, 2009 6:38 AM in response to: tinac21
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

I also had chest pains while on Sprycel and wondered if it was fluid build up in either the lungs or heart.  After discussing with my Onc, he knew I had no history of heart problems, but did take an Xray to make sure.  I was glad to know nothing was discovered.  My history of acid reflux came back into the picture.  My Onc put me back on Nexium and the chest pains went away.  I have been very lucky so far, and only have the leg cramps and numb toes occasionally.  I hope your pains are found to be something small in nature like mine did...  God bless all.

 

What is, is.

Sloater

ImPatty   1 posts since
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6. Dec 13, 2009 12:03 AM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

I very much appreciate he "heads up" on the Sprycel vs. Tasigna. I have been on 800 mg Gleevec since 4 weeks after FDA approval, Before that, I was on interferon alpha, & Hydrea. Upon beginning Gleevec I was in remission in 12 months which was a wonderful thing to see. Though, since then I have been back & forth, Unfortunately, I have been having difficulty with my counts, my WBC & H & H, which of course warrants aranesp and Nupregen. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the coating on Gleevec iron? For at one point early on I was taking 100 mg tabs., then my Onc told me to dispose of them, due to the high iron content, though I am anemic, this wasn't the form of iron in which I needed. I have a very important appt. on Dec. 17 with my Onc. and I want to carefully have justifiable & important questions that pertain to the CML, the low wbc, and what he feels is our plan of action.. Think you could lend me a word or two? If not, I do understand. I only want to come prepared for I seem to clam up when in front of him for I shouldn't. For he has been the best ONC a person could ever have. Actually amazing under the circumstances.

Dawn   69 posts since
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8. Jan 14, 2010 8:33 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

good evening Trey,

 

               I was searching through old posts and found this one. Charlie went to the onc today.

His white cell count is down to 9.4 which is great but he is having such horrible side effects he cannot function. He even fell asleep at the doctors waiting for him to come in. The doctor is now very concerned because it is not getting any better and his cognitive state is horrible.

but anyway the doctor is running another FISH and we go back next week. He was talking about either lowering the gleevec because he is having so many problems or switching him to Tasigna. I do not know that much about the drug itself and am starting to read, read, read. He did mention how it can cause heart problems in some cases.  Basically he said it gives me something to think about till next week when we get the FISH results in. 

 

            I thought maybe you could share your two cents on the subject....( if you don't mind)

 

 

thank you once again for any info,

dawn

Dawn   69 posts since
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10. Jan 21, 2010 6:58 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

Hi Trey,

I hope you don't mind but I need to pick your brain once again.

 

Charlie went back to the onc today for the results of his FISH and it showed Positive Nuclei with Single Fusion is down to 41.7% from 98% two months ago wihich is good but still not great. BCR/ABL  58.3%.

 

WBC today was 9.9

 

One week ago on 1/14/10 WBC was  9.4

 

On 12/31/09 WBC was 9.1

 

12/23/09 WBC was 17.5

 

12/15/09 WBC 67.1

 

12/09/09 WBC 142.6

 

Now Charlie just started the gleevec 2 1/2 months and even though his WBC came down tremendously I was alittle confused what the doctor is is doing and saying. Charllie is still having terrible side effects to the point he cannot function ) ,blurred vision, dizziness  cannot work,  drive, stand on his feet for more than an hour or two.) It is bad. At first the Onc blew off the side effects like we were nuts, charlie would leave the office in tears.. Then when charlie was asleep on the table when he came in to look at him he payed alittle more attention to his complaints. He keeps telling us of an 85 year old patient that never has side effects on gleevec, telling us how great she is doing on it. Well no offense but at 85 sleeping and having aches and pains should be the norm...lol....sorry. Then after looking at his WBC 2 weeks ago he says to charlie " he is in remission." I am dumb founded!

I imeditately say to him you mean response don't you and  he told me point blank " no remission. "

 

Well the onc ran the FISH last week because he wanted to see if we should maybe switch Charlie to tasigna or keep the course with the gleevec. When he got the results back today he said wow you are going great lets stop the Gleevec for a week and then we will see where to go from there, we have leeway. I am not comfortable with this at all! I said this to him and "he said oh no it will be fine."  Next week will see if we will lower the dose of gleevec or change this over to tasigna.

 

I am calling for a second opinion tomorrow. I have a friend who's wife recently passed away from bone cancer and got the name of their Onc.

 

Is this the norm to just stop the gleevec so soon into treatment even if it is only a week?

I am scared that we will be going to go backwards if we stop it...yes he may feel better from the side effects for a week but will the side effects be worse once we start up again and how will effect his counts?

 

what is your opinon?

 

thanks for you help again and again and again..lol

dawn

Dawn   69 posts since
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12. Jan 22, 2010 9:40 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

thank you once again for helping us....

 

I did call cancer center of america in phili last night and they were great...they are going to consult with doctors and call me back...they have doctors there treating CML.

also a vet I work with has a friend who is a hematologist and she called her and got some more names of doctors that specialize  in leukemia and cml.

 

In the mean time Charlie did stop the gleevec..because the doctor said to and we have not found a doctor to tell us not to basically.

It is driving me nuts...it is all I think about..I know he will go backwards and when he puts him back on it, it will be a nightmare with side effects. I even asked him if the it takes months for the side effects to go away or lessen and in the begining it is the worst, won't the side effects be worse if we stop and than start up again. He did not answer my question and changed the subject.

think, think, think, all I do is think.

I actually was thinking so much tonight I drove through a red light. Luckily there were no cars coming.

 

Charlie keeps saying that I am his biggest advocate...but I feel like I have to make this all better...watch out for him.

I will never let him give up and always keep him going.

 

It is amazing how in 3 short months out entire lives have been turned upside down...just from three little letters...CML

 

I am now very interested on CML and the central nervous system and plan on doing alot of research and reading. I feel like I have to have everything in place when we go see this doctor. I go to dr.'s every week with a notebook filled with questions and things that are bothering charlie and just slam the doctor . It is the only way I know to do this.

 

thank you for your advice...it is so appreicated! ( more than you know)

dawn

CMLMN   25 posts since
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13. Feb 15, 2010 7:35 PM in response to: Trey
Re: Sprycel vs. Tasigna

I'm trying to decide between Sprycel and Tasigna. 

 

My doctor would be OK with either one.  I was diagnozed in Aug'07 and on Gleevec 400 mg then 600mg.  I did get to PCRU on Gleevec.  I tried to go off Gleevec to see what will happen with my body with the possibility of getting pregnant.  Unfortunately, my PCR went back up to 5% within 2 and a half months.  I don't think I have any mutations (the last mutation test was done in Spring).  Any recommendations on Sprycel vs. Tasigna would be appreciated.  I read through all side effects and can't decide which ones are more tolerable plus it is hard to know how my body will react.  I'm leaning toward Tasigna (did the EKG but haven't heard the results yet).  What are the people experiences?  Thanks. 

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