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Karen   170 posts since
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Nov 4, 2009 9:16 AM

Children donor match?

First they are checking siblings to see if they match for a bmt, but they also asked for my kids info and said they would check them too if no sibling match. Do they use your kids too? I didn't know that.

KyGuy   1,270 posts since
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1. Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

If they're under 18, they can be tested with their parent's approval.  One of my sons was under 18 and we had him tested but he didn't match me.  I know of one case where a teen needed a transplant and his adolescent sister was a match.

 

Kelly

Tex   3,897 posts since
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2. Nov 4, 2009 1:29 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

I've only known of one person who posted here whose kids were a match.  That added to a couple of mothers who matched their kids are all the exceptions to siblings and unrelated donors I've known of.

 

You might want to check with your insurance company.  Mine would only pay for siblings and since there's only a 25% probabilty of any one sibling being a match, I thought that was pretty fair.

 

Still, your docs know what they're doing.  If they think your kids might provide a better chance than an unrelated donor (should your siblings not match) there has to be a reason for that.

 

Blessings

pamd   1,347 posts since
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3. Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

Will your insurance pay for it? Make sure, unless you can afford to bear the cost yourselves. My insurance company (BC/BS) only paid for the testing of the person that was ultimately used as my donor. So anyone that was tested that wasn't a match, or might've been a match but not used, wasn't covered.

 

I paid the cost of my sister's testing. Not a match. No one ever suggested that my daughter be tested, so she wasn't. I had understood that the liklihood of her matching was remote. But who knows.

 

Pam

Sonydaisy   328 posts since
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4. Nov 4, 2009 9:38 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

I was told that my son would only be tested as a last option that we only had about a 1 in 25 chance that he would be a match, I was told I had a better chance with an unrelated donor, but ultimately my sister was a match, so we didn't have to worry about it, but like others have already said, make sure your insurance will pay for it. Sonya

choccrackles   64 posts since
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5. Nov 7, 2009 9:08 AM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

I'm only pitching in to this discussion because of my strong feelings about this whole matching procedure ... especially in the States where all you guys seem to pay for it.

 

I joined the registry here in Oz in 1990 ... many of you know that ultimately in 2003 I matched my son. I was tested as a matter of course again at this time, along with his father and siblings. The registry for me was not tested at that time (2003) because I was told I would not match ... and of course a parent match is unlikely. We were tested to get a better look at the lineage that Hamish would have, coincidentally I then matched.

 

What irks me a bit about all of this is that I am a ready and willing donor for anyone around the globe who needs my particular HLA. If I were to match it would be given ... the testing was free. There must be so many Americans who would gladly do the same but it is prohibitive to join because you pay ... yet you have access to ready matches globally who are on registers freely. This seems mean spirited to me of the American bureaucracy ... whose system would take from global registers but require its own citizens to pay for blood draws to be tested for others. That just don't seem right to me, am I missing something here? I would like to know the numbers of donors on registers in the USA compared to the rest of the globe ... I'm not being mean spirited about it, it just seems that the system over there is missing something fundamental about the goodwill associated with this. Yeah I know it costs to maintain a register etc etc, but all our blood banks here are free, donors like myself donate regularly and the system works. Why can't it work elsewhere...what a mess. And cord bloods are the same here ... a little trickier to organise but the same. You simply donate in the same way as you would a regular donation, providing the birth is a planned delivery and there is a cord collection service available (thats the trickiest bit).

 

 

So, in the case of a patient here with leuk, the hospital automatically organises the matching of direct family members (siblings and parents) ... and it takes place often even before the decision to have a transplant is made. That was the case for us. For young siblings (again our case) the results are only used for the patient and the children do not go on to the register.

 

Sandra

VickiR   38 posts since
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6. Nov 7, 2009 10:03 AM in response to: choccrackles
Re: Children donor match?

I don't quite understand. Your child couldn't ever be an exact match.

 

Our sons were tested when my husband was anticipating a BMT, but that had been billed as a mini/non-abelative transplant from the start.

 

The sons are matches for each other (good to know), and 7/10 matches to my husband. That was good enough for a mini and the son who was still on our insurance was the donor.  The one insurance company seemed to simplify the paperwork.

 

So far it's been a success with our son's cells happily transplanted into my husband and hard at work.

 

I can imagine that the testing is expensive. The test to see what percentage of my husband's bone marrow is his donors runs about $4K.

Tex   3,897 posts since
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7. Nov 7, 2009 11:28 AM in response to: choccrackles
Re: Children donor match?

Sandra,

 

As you know, we don't have a national health support program.  Even the initial tests to get on the regitry cost money but it is usually subsidized by a grant to a small cost.  It's not mean-spirited so much as a misplaced belief that nonprofit organizations will generate enough money to take care of these things if the issues are imortant enough.

 

To be honest, for all the good it does and all the respect I have for it, the National Marrow Donation Program does a lousy job of promoting itself and its needs.  We need a Susan Komen's sister but there don't seem to be any around.

 

Just a FWIW.

 

Blessings

choccrackles   64 posts since
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8. Nov 8, 2009 6:17 AM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

Tex ... I know, I know its expensive and I know your system is different. Its just continually on these boards I read of the extra emotional hardship caused by the financial burden of the system you guys have, and I can't even begin to imagine where I would be today if I had that burden as well ... we pay for some meds, outpatients and that runs into the hundreds ... but compared to you it is nothing. Our tax system pays for it so we do pay, its just a more pay as you go in case insurance as opposed to pay when you need it or user pays. I prefer our system. I don't mean to imply that you guys are mean spirited, just the system.

 

Vicki, I'm not sure if you are asking a question or making a comment, excuse me if I misunderstood. I was a perfect match 6/6 or 12/12 for my son and that is possible if you and your partner share 3 identical HLA ... which it seems we do. I'm not sure if the other two siblings are matches for eachother, I hope like your sons they are ... but I didn't find that out with the testing. Being a 6/6 doesn't make you identical though since there are other HLA markers anyway.... I'm not sure about that part.

 

Sandra

Tex   3,897 posts since
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9. Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM in response to: choccrackles
Re: Children donor match?

I got that you were calling the system mean, not us.  I think I was just saying it's not so much mean as it is indifferent.  Maybe someday we'll become as enlightended as the rest of the world's industrialized nations.

 

I'm figuring Ham's holding his own?

 

Blessings

jgf   3 posts since
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10. Nov 8, 2009 4:27 PM in response to: choccrackles
Re: Children donor match?

 

Hi all,

It has been a long time since I have been on this board but do check up once in a while.  Sandra, I am so sorry to here your son has had to go through this again and only hope the best for him.  It was shocking to me after so much time and a very scary thought.  My husband and yours son were transplanted about the same time both for a leukemia and I followed his progress at the time.  FYI there was a mother/son perfect match at  seattle while we were there.  Very unusual as you know.  Her and her husband were closely matched... so it does happen.

My husband was transplanted a the Fred Hutch in seattle.  They asked for our children to be tested along with his brothers and sisters from the start.  I do not remember if insurance paid for our kids or not.  That being said we paid out of pocket for portions of the search process, insurance paid a portion and the BMR foundation paid a portion.   We had to have multiple samples flown in from out of the country to be tested of which I know was not covered by the insurance co.  I do remember if this had been cost prohibitive to us they would not have been able to go forward.  They warned us from the beginning it could get extremely expensive as he was a difficult match at the allele level which is not a part of the basic testing that is done. Each potential sample would have to be shipped in even though most likely it would no be a match.  This proved out to be true.  Some countries were generous enough to do the extra testing for the Hutch to rule out samples and save us the cost.


Karen,

Our kids were tested and I am not sure if it was because they knew my husband was going to be a difficult match from the start or routine.   In the end they used our son as their was no available donor.  He was a standard parent/child 5/10 match, not a traditional transplant but it was available as a clinical trial at the time.  Long story short all is well today.  Not knowing any different at the time we did what was asked of us without question.  I am grateful that it was an option and they had the foresight to have already tested our boys as a potential donors.  After he was transplanted they sampled myself and my husbands parents as part of study to look at the DNA of matched vs unmatched portions of his donor cells.

I guess I would ask out of curiosity why they are looking at your children as donors.  Best to you and your family through this journey.

Gayle

 



stagsgirl   109 posts since
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11. Nov 9, 2009 2:44 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

Karen, it is my understanding that children cannot be a match for a parent. Or at least, a child's likelihood of being a match for a parent is no greater than the general population.

When my dad was diagnosed with AML, I was about to give birth to my younger son. Knowing very little about the SCT process, I frantically researched HLA-typing and cord blood donation to see whether I should save the cord blood. Turns out, it would have never been used for my dad. Not only is a grandchild too remote, but a child is too remote to be a donor for a parent. My understanding is that we inherit 1/2 of our HLA factors from each parent. That's why each sibling has a 25% chance of matching another sibling.  Something like that, anyway.

choccrackles   64 posts since
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12. Nov 10, 2009 4:34 AM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

Gayle

 

I do remember you guys ... thank you for posting ... and don't worry, I believe the likelihood of relapse at 5 years is slim ... Hamish was M0 so it was a bad one to begin with, it doesn't mean you are more likely to get a relapse too ... congratulations on your milestones, its great news.

 

Karen ...

 

the likelihood of a parent / child match is remote, about the same as the general population but it does happen. If I match my son, then my son matches me ... I know of 3 other parent/child matches done at the RCH here ... so it isn't unheard of, just a slim chance. Tex knows of other parent matches too I believe ... it would be wonderful if it was more common but I guess thats DNA for you huh. Still, unrelated matches are just as good so that is always the best chance for anyone and there are more and more donors each year ... 5 years ago there wasn't a match for Ham, and this time there was one unrelated and two cords ... so that was great. On these boards there have been other haplo transplants and I'm sure they get better at that each day...

Tex   3,897 posts since
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13. Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM in response to: jgf
Re: Children donor match?

Gayle!  I didn't see you'd posted.  It's really good to see you.  Give my best to coach.

 

Blessings

Skywalker   2 posts since
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14. Nov 17, 2009 6:08 PM in response to: Karen
Re: Children donor match?

My husband had his transplant in March of 2007.  His daughter was a 10/10 match and was his donor.  We were at MD Anderson and they

were impressed with the match.  He was on Medicare and we had other insurance, but I don't remember the cost being a problem.  We actually didn't want to test her because we knew the chances were so slim, but our doctor insisted. 

 

Wishing the best with the transplant.  He has had problems with GVH, but we are thankful for each day.

And.... So far I have not posted on this new discussion board or don't think that I have. I rarely did on the old board so hoping this will work. 

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