Your dad sounds like he is doing well so far on the Vidaza treatment. Your posts have been a comfort to me. My dad, age 85 (diagnosed in early October) with AML M0 is just at the end of his first hospitalization due to an infection. He begins his second round of chemo today (also is treated with Vidaza). Our situations sound very similar. My sister and I would like to persuade my father to get a second opinion about his treatment plan by a NCI designated hospital in our area (either Sloan Kettering in NYC or Yale New Haven in CT). Of course we would arrange it and accompany him. Have you done further investigation at all about treatment options out there for patients in their 80's? Although I'm reading good things about Vidaza, I wonder if there are other things we should be doing or looking at. Just curious about what you learn along the way. We are all a bit scared here but trying to remain optimistic.
Thank you all for your continued kind thoughts and words. LJMR, you and your family are in my prayers, and yes, we are also scared at what could happen.
In answer to your question, no, my brother sister and I have not pursued anything beyond the current hematologist's recommendations. Part of this is my father's advanced age and the proximity of the hospital [about 15 minutes' drive]. He has lived a long blessed life and he asks to keep living as much as possible, so we have chosen to make this as simple as possible and not strenuous for him.
Our aim is/was to have my father in his own home for as much time remaining as possible. The risks associated with cure (inductive chemo and consolidation) were too great at his age. Therefore we decided just to give him as much time as possible with the most tolerable treatment available (the Vidaza).
I have heard combinations of Vidaza and Mylotarg have induced remission in some patients over 65. However my father's hematologist communicated that this combination could make my father feel sicker than with Vidaza alone. We decided not to pursue any further opinions because this hospital is nearby and convenient for everyone, they have provided good care and concern so far, and also it is a catholic hospital. Also the hematologist provided data that suggests 2 year survival rate on Vidaza treatments alone.
The update is that my dad had his last transfusion on Oct 18-19th and subsequent weekly blood tests showed continued good levels of both red and white blood cells. Last week he was supposed to get Round 3 of Vidaza, but the hematologist left the decision up to the patient because the blood levels were OK. No one has suggested remission ... we are just going week-to-week.
He stays at home walking about (although less than before), napping, and eating. He says he feels "well enough" - - he is looking OK, moving about OK, eating less than before (but he is eating) - - he stays mainly indoors and avoids infection this way. My siblings and I are helping him and my mother with household chores (we are all within 5-25 miles of their home) and we have access to their accounts/ insurance to help process bill payment, etc.
We decided to opt out of last week's injections. He may need Round 3 of injections this week. My sister has him at the hematologist today for this week's blood check. We are praying he might maintain acceptable levels without transfusion or Vidaza, so my fingers are crossed for the next couple hours (or so) until my sister calls me with an update.
I am a little stressed today because I picked up a cold last week somewhere and am supposed to take him to the doctor tomorrow (if needed) and maybe next Tues too. I've been able to hold the cold back pretty well with zinc so far but I keep thinking about whether I should cancel for tomorrow (inconveniencing my siblings) or continue on tomorrow and just wear a surgical mask.
Fingers crossed (and prayers) that Vidaza is not needed this week. Anyway, thanks again to all and I continue to include you all in my prayers. john f.
... and also LJMR I need to note that my sister has provided my father daily vitamin supplements designed to improve his immunity and help with red blood cell production. Understand this may also be the reason for him eating less - - he now has many more additional tablets to ingest at meal times. (he doesn't like pills/ tablets but we explain (in Italian) that the supplements may help keep him out of the hospital)
- - again I can't get ahead of myself because we have to see what today's blood test shows - thanks
3pm update: my sister just called and said my dad's hemoglobin is at 8.1 down from 8.8. last week but still good enough to not need a transfusion or Vidaza this week. The hematologist anticipates he will need a transfusion in a week [based on next Monday's blood work] but he also recommended reducing the Vidaza dosage by 25% and no injections until December - - my dad's numbers have been pretty good for about a month now with no Vidaza or transfusions.
So no worries for tomorrow for me and my cold [the zinc seems to work well if you start using it once you feel any tickle in your throat] ... and Thank You once again everyone for being here ... may God always be with you and bless you ... john f
I didn't realize that once you opt into Vidaza treatment, that you could be given the option to delay or omit a treatment based on blood counts. So instead of systematic treatments, they base it on the bloood counts? That is very interesting. That may be worth our inquiring about. To me, it sounds like your father is doing very well.
My father is unsure about whether he should avoid going out all together and just stay in the house (due to the bad flu season we are experiencing). This is kind of frustrating for him, as I know he likes to go to church and out to the stores. He realizes that he will have to reduce this dramatically. Has your father eliminated activities in public places?
JohnF - Thank you for your words of support.
Hi - To be precise the hematologist did note that it was recommended to continue the Vidaza in order to maintain the control of the white blood cells. The problem is that there are not many studies available that show anything other than continuous Vidaza injections (every 28 days or so). They do have data on survival length and that some elderly patients have had remission, but that's about it. The hematologist could not provide previous examples of where/ when elderly patients stopped Vidaza except after 4-6 rounds to assess progress.
So, to make sure the Vidaza benefit continues, the dosage will be decreased by 25% and he is still scheduled for Round 3 of injections in a couple weeks from now. (the last injections were 7 weeks (49 days) ago)
The hematologist did say that eventually it's possible that the Vidaza could eventually stop being effective for controlling white cells, which means that would be the end. To be truthful I am hoping that the current Vidaza/ transfusions will allow time for something else peaceful/ painless such as apnea (in his sleep) to happen.
My sister who is the oldest of us three is pretty much taking the lead and my brother and I agree with her that it is better to try and be as close to "normal / natural" as possible - - in other words if the doctor allows chemo to be optional then opting out is probably the better choice if it's not mandatory for survival. He seems to be better staying at home as much as possible.
With regard to my father's activities, this is where he differs from most people. Since he retired 20 years ago his preference has always been to stay home indoors or on the porch or in the yard and do nothing and spend no money, regardless of what anyone else (like my mother) prefers. An example is he still uses 25 watt light bulbs in the house because he "doesn't need anything fancy" (ignoring my mother's preferences). It has always irritated my mother and in my opinion is pretty selfish because she does not drive and my father is content because my mother basically keeps house. All he has ever had to do in retirement is eat and sleep with seasonal household maintenance and repair - shoveling/ raking/ mowing/ etc. He argues and yells against any home improvements (even the simplest home depot ones less than $20 that I can do myself) and any improvements to his house ove rthe past 20 years have had to be completed when he traveled to Italy. He drove my mom to the stores and that's it. For the past 20 years, he refused to drive anywhere beyond 1-3 miles past his house and had no problems inconveniencing my mother or us, his children.
Getting into the details and background of his personality would take many postings. This is also why I fluctuate between emotions. To tell the truth he has never been one to provide me with guidance or counsel (ever) and it was people outside my family who have been the best influences of my life. (very few, if any, dinner conversations) Except for clothes, room, and board growing up I had to work and do everything myself with no parental guidance (I am the first in the family ever to get a technical degree in engineering). Even now, nearing the end, both of my parents believe the Golden Rule is for "suckers" so there are difficult moments; I am reminded that (unfortunately) they are examples of the type of people that I do not want to be. He is my parent however and he needs help.
So if/when we recommend that he stays inside, he has no complaints about it. He complains about feeling weak however and general light headed-ness, probably because he is sleeping/ napping so much and watching TV, or doing his favorite hobby of the past 20 years - just sitting and staring out the window.
Again, we continue week-to-week, continue our prayers, hope for the best, and just wait to see what happens.
... and again, good luck to you and your family members and may God bless you and remain in your hearts. john f
Hi John,
Just sticking my nose in as I so probably too often. You might want to call the doc about having your dad's HGB checked on Friday. I miagine he'll be able to have his tank topped off before the weekend that way. I'm guessing with a HGB at 8.1 his MCT is under 25 and that's often what they look at to determine when it's time for transfusion.
If your dad's HGB only drops by the same 0.7 by Monday, that would probably be okay for a couple of days. But you really can't count on count drops maintaining a steady rate.
I'm just saying it's better to be sure. Your dad's doc probably has a good reason to wait until Monday. I'm just suggesting you double check to see if there might be some wisdom in doing things Friday. Sometimes docs get into autopikot and actually think some of our suggestions are worthwhile. ![]()
Blessings
thahks for the suggestion, tex;
I sincerely appreciate the help !!!
Hello friends: I have been away because of other obligations but just wanted to take a minute and post an update and also wish everyone a blessed holiday season. My father has been stable since his fever hospitalization of mid-October. Today he is gettting his 2nd transfusion since that time and he finished round 3 of vidaza last week. The hematologist says his white blood cells continue to be OK, stable, and the red cells decline but not quickly (transfusions every 3-4 weeks). The blasts from his test 3 weeks ago were less than 1 percent. (I don't know much more than this because my sister has been the main one who talks to the hematologist) All this time he has been stable and comfortable at home albeit weak and somewhat light headed. His days are eating, napping, walking around the house indoors; but my siblings and I continue to be there to help him and my mother. His outpatient appointments/ tests/ treatments/ transfusions seem to go OK as far as getting to the car, etc.
Anyway thank you all once again for being here. If I don't have a chance I want to wish you and your families many blessings for the season - - may god bless you and stay with you all always. Thank You All Very Much. John F.
John,
Glad to hear your dad is holding his own. Blessings to your family this Christmas season as well. I continue to keep you in my prayers.
Tricia
John, it sounds like your dad is really hanging in there pretty well given the situation. I don't have any experience with Vidaza, but it sounds like it is doing good things for him. Do his docs think the red count will be on a slow decline, or that the Vidaza might eventually stabalize things? Thanks for the update, enjoy the holidays with him.
Pam
Wow, John, your dad is doing great. Only two transfusions in two months? Fantastic!
I am wondering if the 1% was in his bloodstream or in his marrow. I'm guessing the former as I can't see them wanting to do a BMB at this point. One way or the other, the counts really seem to hold promise your dad might be able to hang around quite awhile. ![]()
Is he staying inside because of doctor's orders? If so, you might want to ask about that. If he'd like some fresh air, I can't think of any reason he shouldn't have some.
I hope your Christmas is equally blessed,
Hello All: first off, belated good wishes to everyone for the holidays. We celebrated yesterday at my mom and dad's house and all was pretty normal. Some good news for our family; given my father's recent good blood numbers over the past month or so, the hematologist recommended reducing appointments and blood tests every other week instead of every week. My dad received his last transfusion last week, the blood test this past Tuesday was good (hemo, etc. was good), and the next round (4th round overall) of Vidaza is the first week of January. Overall his spirits are about the same. I may have posted before that his nature is stoic to begin with but he seems to be sleeping, eating, walking about the house reasonably normally. We now have snow and cold so there's not much outdoor stuff anyway except doctors appointments and visits to our respective homes here in the Chicago area. Anyway thank you all again for your participation in this community and may God bless and stay with all of you and your families. sincerely, john f.
John,
I'm happy for your family. What a gift yesterday must have to all of you.
Sounds like your dad is doing very well. I hope that continues for a long time to come. Please stay in touch.
Blessings
John, I'm sorry I didn't see this until now. I'm so glad your dad's doing relatively well, the fact that his doc is stretching out his appointments is a positive thing. I'm glad you all could gather round for the holidays and that he seemed to be doing well given the situation. I can relate to the snow---I'm in Omaha. Yuck! Hope things continue to go well for him, thanks for posting and I'm just sorry I didn't see this until now.
Pam