Hi everyone,
While I forgot to ask our onc about this issue yesterday, I did just happen upon this on pg. 90 of Justin's protocol (AALL0232--high risk Pre-B ALL):
Amended Design (05/23/08) for Steroid Randomization
Due to excessive incidence of osteonecrosis, patients 10+ years old will not be randomized to the dexamethasone arms. They will be randomized to either the PC or PH arms at the time of enrollment. Comparison of the steroid regimens will be restricted to the 1-9 year olds. Due to the higher incidence of adverse events seen with the use of dexamethasone, only a signficant EFS advantage will result in it being studied further in this population.
There's more technical jargon about percentages and EFS...but that's the gist.
Hmmm, as the parent of a 3 year old with osteonecrosis from the dex in her protocol, I find this every interesting. Thanks so much for sharing this, Tonya.
I, personally, think they are underestimating the amount of osteonecrosis in younger children. I wonder what the definition of "excessive" is in regard to osteonecrosis.... I fully understand that the risks are much greater for older children, but part of me fears that they are risking long term disabilities for the very young by not switching them to pred. Only time will tell, I guess.
I had inquired about Dex vs. Predisone way back when my daughter was first diagnosed. Apparently, some really powerful studies resulted in a greater EFS for low and standard risk ALL patients when given Dex vs. Predisone. They didn't find the same with the higher risk kids, so that is why they remained on the Prednisone. I guess this is just another case where the drug works well for one thing (curing leukemia) but on the other hand, can have the potential of some serious side effects. It's a hard call....but to us, curing the leukemia was upmost important. Thankfully, we didn't have any AVN issues.
I would just like to state my personal opinion on this one. After Donavynn switched to Prednisone on his old protocol from the Dexamethasone b/c of the risk of osteonecrosis he had a spinal fluid relapse in 3 months. The last LP he had before switching was clear (that was the day they switched) 3 months later at his next LP he had relapsed. Now part of me wonders if the Dex was just keeping the leukemia at bay. However the new protocol he is on is Dex only and when I asked why they told me b/c Dex crosses the blood brain barrier and Prednisone doesn't. I personally would rather have him stay on the dex and be removed from it if a problem occurred and if they felt that he needed to be removed b/c it was bad enough than be taken off it b/c they think something could happen. I personally blame his relapse on the switch. I just don't know whether to be thankful b/c the dex was keeping it at bay and he would have likely relapsed after treatment when LP's are no longer done and would have been symptomatic before we knew.... or if he would have been fine had he stayed on it. Either way I think that the dex does good things and to me is worth the risk.
Thanks for that perspective, Teamdonavynn. Sure hope things are going well for your son.
This is why these boards are great -- there's a wealth of info we can share among us.
And this dex vs pred choice just falls into one of those "no good choice" categories. Which, I guess, is why we leave it up to the drs to make these choices, and weigh relative risks of relapse vs risks of long term disabilities.
Thanks for sharing that, Tonya. The long term use of prednisone is also AVN. My SIL, who is asthmatic and used prednisone her whole life to treat acute episodes, developed symptomatic AVN in both hips with a right hip collapse that was tipped over the edge by some doses of strong IV steriods to treat her MS last year. People with lupus who also use prednisone also develop AVN. I challenged Aidan's oncs when they suggested switching Aidan to prednisone after his AVN diagnosis with Dex, they said that AVN was rare with prednisone. Really? It was also supposed to have been rare with dex as well. Aidan was 7 at the time. I will hazard a guess that since they rarely suspected AVN with prednisione use, and would have blamed all joint pain on the vincristine, they really have no idea about the real incidence of AVN, since not all AVN that develops is painful and there would be no reason to check for it otherwise. You can actually live with AVN if it never becomes symptomatic. I learned that from Aidan's orthopedist. The long term consequence of having AVN is the possible development of osteoarthritis in middle to old age. I am guessing by then, many people cured as children are lost to follow-up at or after a certain age. The go/no-go decision is certainly a personal choice and will vary by situation.
Angela
I don't have a child with cancer, but my 9 years younger 22-year-old brother has relapsed ALL, originally diagnosed at 19, and treated on pediatric protocols both times. I don't think they've worried about AVN too much with him, but the main worry about his bones is the damage the leukemia had already done - he had compression fractures in several vertebrae, with kyphoplasty surgery to attempt to repair the vertebrae. I think he is definitely worried about the long-term damage that the combination of the leukemia and steroids will have on his bones.
Anyway, I don't think we've ever been able to figure out how they choose which to use - i think the first time around there may have been some recommendation of using dex, but pred was used due to lower risk of avn as one of the reasons, i believe. This time, though, his COG protocol calls for pred, but the doctor switched it to dex, with the only reason I remember hearing being that it could be used week on/week off instead of continuously for this first block or reinduction treatment.