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RGZ   6 posts since
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Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM

AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

     My name is Rick and I have been diagnosed with AML M2 and don't have a clue what that means other than the obvious.  I am still waiting on results of some other tests to determine which chemo regimn I am going to be put on.  I guess I was lucky in that it was spotted in my regular A1C blood tests for my diabetes and they found abnormal cells and not from having any of the symptoms they say usually go with it.  I have no clue what all it will comprise of other than after my first BMB I was informed that I can expect plenty more of them in the future.  I am sitting here in the hospital for the last 6 days after getting the preliminary diagnoses 8 days ago so it has happened so fast that I don't think it has time to really settle in to what I am in for but needless to say fear is an all but too real emotion at this time.  I have spent the last couple hours reading so many of your stories here that it does make me feel like I am definitely not alone in this fight.  I have read a lot about transplants here and fear that not having any siblings could cause a bigger problem down the road.  This all happened so fast that I haven't even had time to try to explain to my children exactly what's going on and that the doctors suggest that they don't come to visit due to the higher chance of bringing in an infection because of the outbreak of the h1n1 virus in the area, I am by no means a wimpy guy but I have cried myself to sleep on more than one occasion because I miss my children so much.

     I don't really know the right questions to ask of my doctors so I try to write down everything they say but at this point it isn't much since they haven't gotten any more information other than I have AML and it is type M2 but nothing further than that.  All the research that I have tried to do on the Internet regarding AML M2 has just gotten me more confused since it seems like most of it is written for a doctor to decipher than Joe Sausagehead so I have given up but only after I found this forum to turn to due to some extremely straight talk that I can understand.

     So generally what I am asking at this time is what questions should I be asking my doctor in the next couple of days so I can understand where I stand on the long road of this disease.  I appreciate all response because at this point its all that I have to go on.

 

Rick

mamawarrior   946 posts since
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1. Nov 4, 2009 6:35 PM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

Hi rick, i am sorry you had to join the club no one wants to be in. But you are here and your asking questions and you will get answers.

Every persons journey is individualized and a little different but seems like most are put on particular chemotherapies. When your doc gets the treatment plan laid out, most people go through an induction or 2 and then a couple of consolidation rounds of chemotherapy. Look at each round as lasting about a month. While the chemo may be 5-10 days long (or something similar to that) your blood counts drop to their lowest on day 10-14 from the first day of chemotherapy and that is the time you will be most vulnerable to infection which is a huge problem with leukemia patients. Most  aml chemo is done inpatient, some patients go home after chemo is finished, but many have to return when their counts drop  due to fevers etc. When you get chemo, not only does it kill the bad cells, it kills the good ones too so they will replace the blood and platelets as needed.

I would suggest you get a book on neutropenia which most cancer floors in the hospital have. It will explain it and help you to better prepare yourself for those days when your counts are so low. The counts generally start to recover around day 21-25 range, thus a round of chemo lasting about a month from the first dose to recovery.

My son had a total of 5 rounds which due to delayed recovery in the last few rounds took a total of about 7.5 months.

In between all that, they will be doing a bmb to see that you are in remission.

I am not going to sugar coat it. It is a long and difficult road but many here have done it. Although i haven't listed any particular questions to ask the doc, i think once the treatment plan is spelled out, you will have a better idea. Some patients go straight to transplant if it is felt they are high risk for relapse and some do chemo alone.

 

I just want to wish you the best, and feel free to ask away as the questions come up, and they will. Others will be posting soon.

mamawarrior   946 posts since
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2. Nov 4, 2009 6:38 PM in response to: mamawarrior
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One thing i do want to recommend is that you get some form of a journal and keep track of your blood counts. You will see the drop and eventually learn the trend. It will help you to better understand your body.

pinkydo123   366 posts since
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3. Nov 4, 2009 7:55 PM in response to: mamawarrior
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I guess I can call myself a rookie also Rick.I'm a caregiver to my bf who is 47 years old.Diagnosed Aml m2 t(6:9).I guess you can ask you're Doctor about the standard induction.7 to 3 days.3 days danourubicin 7 days cytarabine 24 hours.As MW said they have info on the floor for patients.The doctor's gave us one from the LLS society on AML.They will probably look into you're cytogenetics, so they can give you a prognosis.You can expect alot of bloodwork everyday to watch you're counts and supportive care if needed.Tranfusions of red blood and platelets as you need them.I have not gone through Chemo myself, but there are many people that have that can give you support you need,and confidence from first hand experience.They will monitor you for fevers daily.Todd's always occur around day 3 after chemo.You can also expect them to do a bone marrow biopsy on day 14 as well as day 28 or 30 to see if and how well you responded to you're therapy.I am sorry you are going through this but there are other's I have talked to that have went along this journey and survived.

pinkydo123   366 posts since
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4. Nov 4, 2009 8:07 PM in response to: pinkydo123
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And as MW said try to keep a journal.Very good.Do you have someone who can ask the Doctor questions for you??Chemo seems to affect everyone differently, and at times todd is not as lucid as he normally would be without the drugs and all. There are some basic questions you can ask you're doc about you're "blast" count.It's a measuring gage as to how well the Chemo is working.I'm hoping more experienced member's chime in to help you out Rick.Blast are the immature wbc's that you're marrow kicks out that is the luekemia.The Chemo is designed to kill those off.Unfortunately they don't have chemo that only targets those cells, so it kills healthy cells also.They will monitor that very closely because a reduction in them under 5% signals remission.Once you're counts(blood) are at nadir>lowest point< they say you are nuetropenic which means you have nothing to fight off infection.Stay Strong Rick.

pinkydo123   366 posts since
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6. Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

There is a guy here who post often.His name is Micheal and he has very good information on the chromosomal mutations and cytogenetics.One of the things that's very difficult that I am finding out Rick is the waiting.You can ask the nurses to explain things to you.Me and Todd have met some very friendly helpful nurses on his unit.It takes about two-weeks for them to get to the genetics so I'm sure they will have that info for you shortly.The Standard induction therapy for AML is Dano and ara-c.Maybe you can google it to get more info on what to expect.That's standard, but some Doc's keep there own counsel on chemo so let us know when they tell you.

LauraB   7 posts since
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8. Nov 4, 2009 11:18 PM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

HI Rick,

  I am also an AML survivor.  I was diagnosed with AML M4 in May of 2008.  I've had 3 Bone Marrow Biopsy's and I have been in remission now 17 months.  Keep the journal on your blood counts, it really helps.  I had my 7 days of induction chemo and followed up with 4 rounds of consolidation or maintainance chemo.  Because of the distance from my house to the hospital (1 hour) and my husband works 3rd shift, I would have to stay in the hospital for 3 weeks at a time.  The 1st week for chemo, the 2nd waiting for my counts to bottom out and the 3rd week waiting for my counts to get high enough to go home. This is where the journal is helpful, It got so I knew how many days I would be bottomed out before the counts would start climbing.  I had a laptop, and because my doctor told my husband to make sure I was kept up with the normal dealings at home as much as possible then since I was coherent I paid the bills from my hospital bed.  He got me a folding file, my calculator, the checkbook and the bills.  The CNA's learned not to take my blood pressure on Thursday afternoons.  If you have a question for your doctor write it down.  I kept a spiral notebook to write the questions down.  Also ask the nurses, the ones I had were awesome.  They helped me understand a lot, and they are there to help.  I hope this helps.

Karen   170 posts since
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9. Nov 5, 2009 8:07 AM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

Welcome to the board Rick, here you will find that this disease is definately unpredictable so try not to get too caught up in all the statistics.  It's scary.  And everyone is different.  But is does show you that medical technology today has come a long way and people today can most of the time have better outlooks. You will find that it does take a toll on you emotionally but that is only normal. We all here understand what you are going through, for we have been there ourselves and are still here living everyday we are given.  I guess one thing maybe I would have asked the docs in the beginning is if they had done all the molecular tests done with that first bone marrow biopsy, because I guess there are some extensive testing that some hospitals just don't go as far as to do, but maybe that was because of the kind I had (M1 with nomral chromosomes) cause later on down the road that all matters for your future prognosis and treatment. Most doctors go by a standard protocol for treatment and of curse that can change later due to reactions to the treatment and how you are doing.  We wish you well and hope everything stays boring for you!  If your children are small it is better they keep those colds and flu to themselves, call them on the phone instead and once you are out of hospital you can catch up with them in between.  I have 3 children, my youngest is 9, it was hard being away from him during treatments so I know how you feel.   I also would wear masks when I was out anywhere when my counts were low, especially for blood checks at the docs office, I would not touch anything, including the magazines, door knobs, etc. Lots of hand sanitizer!

pinkydo123   366 posts since
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10. Nov 5, 2009 8:50 AM in response to: Karen
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That's funny Kare.Todd's Doc said the same thing.We hope he stay's very bored

pamd   1,347 posts since
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11. Nov 5, 2009 10:32 AM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

Hey, Rick, I know how you feel, when I was diagnosed with AML M2, it was a foreign language to me, too. So realize that it takes everyone awhile to come up to speed on this stuff, right now you are still in shock at the diagnosis itself. You've gotten good answers from everyone on what's to follow, the usual chemo protocols, so I won't belabor that. You may have more information, too, after your cytogenetics come back, as to what's recommended as a next step. Do not feel weird about getting a second opinion---not on the AML diagnosis itself, but on the treatment plan ahead. When I was diagnosed back in March '06, I got a second opinion, and was very glad I did, it was totally the opposite of what had been originally recommended to me.

 

As far as transplant goes, don't stress over that yet. Transplant may be a back-up plan for you, or may possibly be suggested as something to consider sooner. Again, your specific cytogenetics come into play here. And no matter what your docs recommend, and even if you like and trust them, a second opinion (even a third) often makes sense, if only to confirm you are heading in the right direction. Because AML treatment is so pricey, insurance companies are usually glad to foot the bill for second or third opinions, they want to make sure you are getting the appropriate care for your situation.

 

I was treated twice for AML, the second time I ended up in transplant. I had only one sibling, and she wasn't a match. But I had several excellent matches in the bone marrow registry, so that's where my donor came from. And if you cannot find a match there, there are still other options, such as cord blood transplants. There are always back-up plans, so remember that, Rick, when you are worried about not having a sibling. As someone said, AML treatment has come a long way, as have transplants.

 

BTW, I am sixteen months out of transplant, and doing excellently. My life is really back to normal, so there is life after transplant. But you know, you aren't there yet at all---you may not need one at this time. So try to breathe, focus on the day to day stuff of getting well, ask your docs everything you can think of (no question is too small or stupid) and do keep us posted---we'll support the heck out of you!

 

Take care,

Pam

Tex   3,897 posts since
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12. Nov 5, 2009 12:27 PM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

H Rick.  Welcome to the sucky club.

 

You've gotten a lot of information and advice here.  I'm not a fan of reinventing the wheel but I did want to respond.

 

What I did when I was firest diagnosed (dx'd) was got a booklet from the LLS.  That's how I first heard about them...or learned the name of the group.  They had it on the hospital floor but here's a link thet will get you started and should eventually lead you to the booklet.  If it doesn't, ask and I'll get you the booklet's link.

 

Learn a little about the disease.  I bet that will lead you to the questions that are relevant to you.  Right now you are at the start of a very steep learning curve and you'll be overwhelmed.  That's okay, we all were at the beginning.  But you need to ask the questions that matter to you.

 

Get yourself a recorder to record the conversations when you're a little too foggy to remember everything.  That will be most of the time.

 

Finally, that they didn't rush you to chemo is a pretty good sign, I think.  It indicates to me that your bone marrow isn't taken over by the disease.  The only reason I didn't start chemo the day after my dx is that it was the weekend.  If you've been six days that indicates to me they don't think there's that big a rush which indicates they caught it early and that's a great thing.

 

Hope this helps.  Keep us updated or just come here and vent some emotion.

 

Blessings

KyGuy   1,271 posts since
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14. Nov 5, 2009 1:54 PM in response to: RGZ
Re: AML Rookie and don't understand half of what they are saying.

Rick,

 

You've gotten a lot of good advice and I'll try not to repeat.  It sounds like you don't have anyone with you who can help wade through all the terminology, etc.  That would be helpful but in lieu of that, a recorder will help.  When you're going through treatment, your brain will get muddled and make it difficult for you to retain information and to know what questions to ask.  When your able, do as much reading on the subject as possible.

 

Don't get worked up about a transplant.  Become knowledgable on them but cross the bridge when you need to.  Also, as far as not having siblings - I have 5 and none of them matched me.  I had to go to the international registry to find a match so don't worry about that at this point.

 

Hang in there and send us your questions.  We'll do our best to be there for you.

 

Take care,

Kelly

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