I never have done this before but I need to talk to others that have been through the same cancer as me. I am 1 year in remission from non-hodgkins. Im 39 a wife and stay home mom for two kids. People who haven't been through the type of cancer I had just don't understand your feelings. I have friends that have been through other cancers but it even hard to relate to them. Each type effects people differently. One day I'm good and other days are hard. I struggle with my energy everyday. I gained 20 pounds through this process from the steroids which I really struggle with because I have never gained. My joints hurt so much. I did 6 chemo treatment and rotoxcin in 3 months instead of 6 months and then did steriods 7 days after. I feel like people have forgotton what I went through and that I am a different person than what I used to be. They asume I am the same Amy before cancer which I am not. But the emotions are crazy. Am I the only one that feels this?
Hi Amy and welcome to the boards! Pull you chair on up around the kitchen table, kick off your shoes and make yourself to home. Let me get you a cup of coffee or a cold iced tea.... Maybe Jane (another board member) will drop by with some fresh baked cookies (she's the Cookie Monster and our resident baker in the virtual coutry kitchen).
You're right - those who haven't walked in our shoes don't really get it and think once we're pronounced "in remission" things just go back to "normal" but they don't....not for us.... We're forever changed and we sometimes struggle with finding our own "new normal". Lymphoma is a tricky beggar - it's like shooting at a moving target and unlike most other cancers. Ours can't be cut out, there's not a lot of talk of "cured" especially with follicular NHL which I'm assuming you were dealing with since you've had some Rituxin follow-up, there's talk of it being "treatable" and a "chronic condition" (like diabetes or high BP) that can be controlled but even that lends itself to the uncertainty which becomes our life. So, nope, even those who have dealt with and beaten back those other types of cancer don't necessarily understand.
Add to that lingering effects of chemo...the joint and muscle pain, emotional aftermath, weight gain, edema, neuropathy, and the list goes on... it just adds to the reminder that we were/are cancer patients. Be kind to yourself as you work your way thru the muck. It takes many months for it to really feel like a corner has been turned.
I've been dealing with NHL since 2001 - was in remission for 3 years but since summer of 2005, I've been in treatment more than out. I'm smack in the middle of my 6th battle with the beast. Three times with DLBC and 3 with fNHL and am part of a clinical trial testing ESHAP (chemo) + Zevalin (a radioimmunotherapy or RIT). Next week, I get the RIT and then we'll see if I get into a long(er) remission. I'm keeping everything crossed! lol The good news is that even though my path has taken a lot of twists and turns, I'm still here! When it pops in, we try something else....there are many options out there and we just have to find the right combo! Whatever comes my way - I try to accept it with grace and just do what I need to do.
Geez I ramble sometimes! LOL Well, those who know me may say I ramble ALL the time! So, let me freshen your beverage? Hope you will come back and we can 'talk' some more. There are many on here who have walked the same path and we're here for you as well! You're among many new friends. ![]()
Peace and blessings
Sharon
Hi Amy, welcome to the country kitchen as Sharon likes to put it. I'm the Cookie Monster/resident virtual baker here. LOL
First, I was to say: Yea!!!!! One year in remission and those crazy emotions . . . yup they seems to come with the territory. Like Sharon said, others who have not walked in our shoes don't get it and won't with either. It is not unlike other types of things that happen to people that maybe we don't/won't understand because we have not walked in their shoes. We are all ignorant in some subjects, that is just how life it is.
It is interesting, I had 6 R-CHOP treatments for transformed follicular lymphoma, and while I had some side effects during the chemo, the real difficulty was after I was done. The stiffness in my limbs, the lack of strength in all my muscles was really weird. It took months for it all to go away and still my feet are not normal and I finished chemo on January 2, 2007. I find that it is harder, even now, to get the strength back in my legs muscles, but I am determined to do so and work on it at least 6 days a week.
I like Sharon, have not ever had my doctor use the word "cure" with my diagnosis. Yes manageable, but not cure. I've already had a small relapse and fortunately didn't need treatment for it because the only node affected was removed. Thus, life goes on and I do my best to live up to some wise words from a friend of mine who lost her battle with renal cell cancer. She said, "Jane don't live in the disease, it will eat your lunch". I say thank you to her, Peggy, often because her words remind me daily where to put my focus. . . on living this day to its best.
You've found a very good place here to come and vent, laugh, ask questions, have a shoulder to cry on. You are not alone. I'm glad you found this board. So, make yourself at home.
Hugs and blessings,
Jane
Hi, Amy.
I am 1 year out from dx 5-1-08. I had chemo then Bexxar in Oct. 2008. I am really struggling
with the after effects. I feel like you do about not being the same person. I want my
pre-cancer life back, but I know that won't happen. It's frustrating. The fatigue is
unbelievable. It won't let up. I think my last inpatient biopsy surgery just kicked
my butt. I was diagnosed with Stage 3, Grade 3 follicular lymphoma. My onc
has yet to use the "R" word, but the last PET looked pretty good.
I do worry about relapse and a secondary cancer.
I simply want to feel half-way good each day. I want to enjoy life like I used to.
I try to remain positive, but some days it's a struggle. I think my body is just
really worn out.
I feel fortunate to be 1 yr out. And hope to make it to 5 yrs out w/no major
relapse. Hang in there! I will keep you in my prayers that you begin to feel
better and more like yourself.
Best wishes,
Pam from Kentucky
Amy,
Take care of yourself and be good to yourself. It's amazing how people respond to our condition. Even other cancer survivors can be strange. My brother freaked out. He thought it runs in families and he would get it. I'm sure it's tough to be a Mom while going through this.
I'm a 60-year-old man. I was diagnosed with follicular NHL last July. I had six treatments of R-CHOP, and I'm in Rituxan maintenance therapy now. I was the go-to guy in my family and at work until I got sick. Independent and in charge. I thought I would tough out the chemo and keep on with life. Duh. Didn't happen. For the first time in my life I said "I can't do that" and had to ask for a lot of help. I realized that's all right. My wife and my Mom got me through it. I'm in remission now, and I feel pretty good. However, life is not the same. I have gained weight, slowed down. But, dammit, I am determined to enjoy life!
My doctor, nurses, priest, family, and most friends were great. Some of my friends shunned me, and I'm sure I won't be talking to them again. Their problem, not mine. My daughter has had a big problem confronting my cancer. She started running with Team in Training after my wife's brother died of leukemia, but I think Dad getting sick was a little much for her.
Your kids want their Mom back. At 39, you probably have teenagers. Their lives are confused enough without dealing with Mom being sick. Don't be afraid to kick back and let your family carry the load. Sleep all you want. Put yourself first for a while. One day you will wake up and realize it's behind you (for a while at least).
- Rich
I just wanted to write thank you to all the responses from my first post. It is so great to hear from others going through what I am. Going through the cancer for me was so much easier because there were goals to tackle. After all my treatments, tests and doctors appointments I kinda felt lost or empty. I celebrate I made it a year but I feel people don't give the support as much on the aftermath of cancer. But I felt more alone afterwards and I think that is when I needed more support. I leaned on my faith with God and I know he is there for me then and now. But I just need to let my feelings out on the whole cancer thing. When you are going through it your fighting to beat it, but they don't tell you how it can beat you afterwards, mentally and physically. I'm trying to take things slower and saying no. It is hard to do when I'm on the go with both of my kids because I don't want to miss anything. So needless to say my house is a mess and that is very hard for me. My family is more important. I'm enjoying getting to know the people on here. I live in a very small town so you don't get the support groups around here. I tried to start one but no one showed. Im wanting to get involved and helping others going through what we are going through. I pray for the ones that are still fighting keep going because you have blessed me so much with your responses. Thanks again.
Amy,
Keep a positive attitude.
It's normal to feel abandonment after remission. You're no longer fighting cancer (at least not actively) so the people around you think "everything's ok, no worries any more." Well...
Before I got cancer, I never gave it a second thought. Not for me. Now I know I had cancer signs long before my diagnosis. So I am more careful about watching for signs. However, I won't obsess over it, and won't let it run my life. I can't ever forget about it, but I understand how everyone else wants to put it behind them.
I say "no" a lot these days. I'm not taking on any new responsibilities at work. I'm satisfied with my position, and my reduced energy is better spent with my family. I have cut back on volunteering, but I will increase that after I retire.
When you have cancer, you have the luxury of being able to devote 100% of your energy to fighting it. Except for the occasional jerk, people generally understand this. However, the people around you don't have that luxury. They still have lives to lead, even as they are trying to help you. Now that my cancer is in remission, I understand how my friends and relatives don't want to think about it. My wife continues to support me 100%, and a couple of my cousins surprise me now and then with a message of encouragement. Everyone else wants to distance themselves from the cancer. That's OK. It's my problem, not theirs.
- Rich
Hi Amy,
Glad to see you post again. I know exactly what you're talking about when you say that don't tell you how much it beats you up after treatment is over. My husband had a co-worker write him an e-mail to warn me about the flood of emotions afterward and I didn't think much of it until the emotions hit me full force. Oh my, it was an avalanche it seemed.
Now that I am two years and five months out of treatment with a small relapse behind me (no treatment needed for it), I'm coping better. I believe over time you'll find your emotional balance, with your "new normal". I hope and pray you will.
Hugs and blessings,
Jane
Amy,
I relate to what you are saying. I have and do feel the same as you. It will be one year next Monday (June 29, 2008) that I had my last R-chop for DLBC, stage III. I will have a PET scan next week and I am nervous as usual. Something that is constant on my mind is relapse and when I read the postings by everyone they all seem to have had some type of relapse. So I feel that it is just a matter of time before a relapse Knocks at my door. Then all of the post treatment feelings will magnify and I am not sure people will understand me at all. Well, I will only offer you my prayers and hope that life is not too difficult for you. Between the emotions and the physical tiredness I try to find some of the old me. I have become a great actor. Most of my family, friends and co-workers think that I have returned to who I use to be and that is okay. I would rather they think that way because life does go on and for some unknown reason I and all of us on these boards are special. I like to think that we are the strong ones, as hard as that may be at times. Hang in there and soak up all of the support from these boards.
Hi to Amy & Everyone,
I finally figured out how to use this new area. I understand all that you said and I agree. My DX.
was stage 2 NHL B-Cell, I'm 62 yrs. old with pain, stiffiness, and emotional ups & down, my doctor
says to forget the C word and go on living. But each 6 month check up they do a Pet Scan, and
always find a symptom. Then the pet comes out find. Another roller coster ride for my fears of
return. I'm am attending counseling, but not support group, to far away. The weakness in my legs
is the worst, and the off and on againg of the fatigue is so upseting. The counslor says I've come
along way since I started. But I feel like a different person, does anyone have what I call the rages.
I get so mad so easy, I used to be the one in charge, not any more. Dealing with all this is constant
and seems to be the new normal. UGH, I am rambling sorry. I just need the cookies and coffee again.
there are people out here that are having the same feelings at the same time, so lets eat the cookies
and be sane as possibe. Take Care, Kathy
I will be 18 months remission next week. I am 26 years old. Every day I get further away from the cancer (which is fantastic) ppl understand less and less what I STILL deal with on a daily basis. I have changed for the better and maybe for the worst as well.
I remember as soon as I was done with treatment ppl thought that I'd automatically become my pre-cancer self again. Wow were they so ignorant and naive. I just couldn't believe it.
I just dont think there is enough literature and information on Life After Cancer for the patient but also for family and friends.
I know some ppl will just never understand what I went through and what I still go through. Its a shame.
PS I also gained weight (15 lbs.) on the steriods, and even with better eating and exercising have only lost a few pounds. I guess I lost my fast metabolism as well!
GOOD LUCK.
The first time I ever posted, in March or so, I was a psychological mess. I thought I was loosing my mind and felt guilty because I was declared cancer free in February and I should be appreciative. I didn't understand why I wasn't running with life but I had fear and intrepidation. I was tearful and for the first time in my life, explosively angry.
I started to attend a cancer support group offered by the local hospital. The social worker was a lovely and inviting woman. I met with her to share my loss and confusion and guilt. Her words were simple and to me, they made so much sense. I was going through the grief cycle. What I knew as my life was no more, my life had forever changed. Tomorrow was no longer guaranteed as I thought it was prior to my diagnose. She showed my a picture of the cycle. She described anger to me and I thought to myself, I don't have anger, I dealt very well with my cancer. Then the longer I pondered the picture of the cycle I realized and did acknowledge I was going through the anger.
Being one to research for answers, I came home and got on the internet to find any articles on the cycle of grief. I finally came to my "jack pot" in finding articles specifically for those who have survived cancer and the psychological after effects. The articles were actually webcasts so I could watch and listen. I learned I was very normal. Through the webcasts I accepted my new life and the uncertainties of tomorrow (really uncertainties is every person's reality). I came to the last phase of the grief cycle - acceptance.
The following web sites are the ones that educated me and brought me the acceptance of my mantle cell lymphoma. I hope you and others might find them equally encouraging. And if any one has a cancer support group available to them, I would attend, even if you spend the first few meetings in a teary, frightened mess - those who sit with you have already been there. Now I can support the new diagnoses and let them know they are not alone.
apos-society.org/professionals/meetings-ed/webcasts/webcasts-survivorship.aspx#
www.massey.vcu.edu/patients/?pid=1935
www.lymphoma.org/site/pp.asp?c=chKOI6PEImE&b=1574367
Thank you Thank you Thank you..... I felt like I was the only one to feel this way. One year ago I went through 3 months of Chemo. Afterwards my biggest complain was that my legs were stiff and hurt. No one understood, acted like it was all in my head. In August I was talked into getting a full body massage. That help so so much. I wish someone would have suggest it after having chemo. It was like all these toxin were in my body and the massage released them. I could tell because the first time I went to the bathroom, I could smell the chemicals. (If you are in treatment and do this be sure to talk to the Doc first. I was told to wait at least 5 days after maintance to get a message.)
I lost 20 pounds during Chemo and unfortunately gained 30 back. I know walking helps the stiffness in the legs. (Which I still have, but not like before I had the massages.) But I am having a hard time getting motivated and finding the energy. In fact only recently have I been able to focus or considerate on much of anything.
I don't know what the grief cycle is, but I must be going through a confusing time. The first day I had Chemo and someone ask me what kind of cancer I had (follicular lymphoma) she replied that I had the "24 hour kind", which at the time I wasn't sure what she meant. I made 3 really good friends during this time. 2 with breast cancer and 1 uterine cancer. Seeing them "battle" for so long and then lose that "battle" was hard. I was getting better while they were losing body parts. While I hate having cancer, I am grateful to only experience chemo for 3 months.
I don't understand this condition, I don't know when or if it will come back (I hope it doesn't) I did like my curly hair and I'm mad that it's going back to being straight. My nails were never better, must have been all the special "fluids" I had. If I'm going to lose all the "good side effects" why can't I also lose all the "bad side effects". Not fair...I need a cookie.
jackie7,
i empathize with you! i remember how achey i felt and every time i got up from a chair,etc., my feet hurt and i hobbled a bit until my joints loosened up. and i agree, and it makes sense, the toxins were leaving our bodies and this was one of the side effects.
again, i think the most difficult phase of chemo is finishing, all done - now what? as patients we are so focused on survival and our whole life becomes a treatment schedule and tests to see if our treatment is having an effect and killing off our cancer. i felt like i was on a bullet train in a tunnel traveling as fast as possible to get to the other side. once i was done with 9 months of treatment, i was left at the train station platform, now what? what do i do now? i just had cancer. i am done. life is not the same. who am i? what am i to do with my life?
i don't know if you tried the web sites i posted at the end of my entry, but they were very helpful to me. also, the two hospitals i was treated at had social workers, i found one very helpful and she was the one that introduced the "grief cycle." another help could be asking if there might be a mentoring program at your hospital or oncologist office. mentoring from a fellow patient is wonderful, they have gone through very similar situations and have probably dealt with the same questions. i found fellow patients to empathize and understand where my husband, as supportive as he was, my family and friends just quite didn't get the mental pain i was going through. when i got to the whole "its all done" psychological phase (others may not experience this), if i talked about my confusion, i feared they thought i was "depressed", "dwelling too much and not appreciating the fact i was cancer free", etc. it can be a pretty loney place.
and a just between you and me, having had all the support i did, all the blog guestbook entries and well wishes, then the great news of cancer free, all the support evaporated. really weird. i needed them just as much afterwards as during! and at times, i could still use some good words of encouragement. oh, well . . .
i hope this has been a bit more helpful. you are not alone, you are not crazy, you are not weird!
bless you!
jackie7 wrote:
Not fair...I need a cookie.
A lot of us feel that way. Few have the courage to just say it.
Brava!