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10 Replies Last post: Jan 24, 2010 10:54 AM by markf  
pauls   8 posts since
Sep 23, 2009
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Sep 23, 2009 4:20 PM

Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Grettings All,

 

Hi to some old friends, good to see your names. Sorry I haven't been contributing like you, I should have been. Now, 3.5 years later I'm backing looking for your advice. Quick story: diagnosed SMZL Jan. 2006, underwent 8 weeks RCHOP, kept my spleen, finished 24 mo. Rituxan, spleen returned to normal and I feel good.

 

Except, last week's CT scan show my spleen enlarged by 1cm. Not much. WBC is a tad under normal, barely. Feel fine, except this new stress. Dr. said to do nothing as I'm "stable." I'm not so sure. What am I waiting for? But what are my options?

 

So, I'm curious to hear what you do when the first signs of a relapse become apparent. Wait to feel worse? Remove the spleen this time? Try a new chemo? Look into stem cell transplant?

 

Yikes, help a brother out. Thanks in advance. Happy sailing ... _/) Paul S.

TeresaB.   47 posts since
Sep 16, 2009
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1. Sep 23, 2009 8:13 PM in response to: pauls
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

I feel your pain.  I'm not familiar with SMZL, I'm Non Hodgkins.

 

I too feel bad about not contributing here for a while, the support and encouragement is wonderful.  I wanted to "distance" myself from the "c" word so much I guess.

 

I went into remission in November last year.  Now, have a hard, painless lump that appeared overnight.....had a PET scan today.  If there are any hot spots:  first a biopsy, and if it's relapsed, stem cell transplant.  No other choices for me.

 

The only thing I have to offer is that the first of this month my regular CAT scan was done, but only chest and abdomen.  I questioned the wisdom of this but went along with it.  Just last week a large, painless lump appeared on my NECK overnight.  I was rushed into blood work, and PET scan to look for hot spots.  Waiting for the results of course is the pits.  I also wanted to add that my bloodwork NEVER looked odd, not at any point before lymphoma was discovered or since.  So, I guess I'm saying I don't trust bloodwork and CAT scans completely.  (I was a StageIV (b) before I ever got a diagnosis the first time!)

 

I'm sure someone else with have more for you, but I'm guessing "stable" is good??

Eva   13 posts since
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4. Oct 16, 2009 2:05 AM in response to: pauls
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Paul,

 

Waiting with SMZL is common, the technical term is actually called "Watch and Wait" (don't you love it when the technical terms are in ENGLISH!)  . . .  Why? well, I'm no expert, but what they told me at Mayo when I was there this spring for my diagnosis, is that SMZL is incurable. The treatments only settle things down to a more manageable, more comfortable situation. They don't work as well the more times they use them. So they delay using them until your symptoms are bothering you a lot. Not sure that taking the spleen out will actually help anything . . . because if all the extra b-cells your body starts producing end up there, won't they end up somewhere else? I'm not a doctor, but I'd ask about this. A lot of mine ended up in my bone marrow. (which meant my RBC went down and I felt really weak.)  And I think that is the real diagnostic with this disease . . . the bone marrow biopsy shows a lot. I had a PET scan, but they do cost about $5K and insurance is tricky about when they cover it. I also think that there is some controversy about just what and how much the PET scan actually can show. I'm not an expert, just a fellow traveler on the journey.

So, go off to Mayo and see what they say. I saw Dr. Johnston and really liked him.

Robyn   1 posts since
Sep 19, 2009
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5. Jan 19, 2010 6:43 PM in response to: Eva
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Hi.

   I was dias in May 2008 with smzl. I have blood tests every 6 months.I am not on medication.{ just waiting} My spleen is enlarged. I am very tired all the time.

   I do not know what to expect in the future. Could some one please help me.

 

                                                                                                              Thanks.

markf   108 posts since
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7. Jan 22, 2010 7:44 PM in response to: pauls
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Paul,


I'm also not that sure that a small increase in your spleen is indicative that the SMZL has returned.  I don't know how consistent the CT scans are since it may be due to a slightly different position.  Did the CT scan show any enlarged lymph nodes?  In SMZL, changes in your blood work don't show up until the SMZL is much further advanced.  In any case, even if it has returned, I would think that you would be back on Watch and Wait since they like to save the big guns for when you really need it, and chemotherapy tends to become less effective with every use.  You could request a bone marrow biopsy since SMZL has almost always showed up in the bone marrow at first diagnosis.  One reason that oncologists are reluctant to do PET scans is that they involve radioactivity, and there is a small chance of this causing new cancers.  I wouldn't get too worried at this point since SMZL advances very slowly even if it has come back.  I am sure that it would be years before it became a problem again.


Mark

markf   108 posts since
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8. Jan 24, 2010 10:46 AM in response to: Robyn
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Robyn,


I was diagnosed with SMZL in January, 2002.  I was on watch and wait for about a year.  My anemia began to worsen, so I decided to start treatment.  I had 4 cycles of rituxan first, followed by 4 cycles of RF (rituxan and fludarabine.).  I completed treatment 5 1/2 years ago and there is no sign of any relapse.  You can read about my experiences in the non-Hodgkins forum under Rituxan/Fludarabine Treatment (RF) for Treatment of Indolent Lymphoma.  The bottom line is that I feel completely normal at this point with no after effects.  If you want to pose more questions about this, you should do so in the non-Hodgkins forum.


Mark

markf   108 posts since
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10. Jan 24, 2010 10:54 AM in response to: pauls
Re: Seeking input from Lymphoma patients (SMZL) regarding relapse and treatment

Paul,


I remember your name, but not what I said to you.  We all have fears in the back of our heads about a recurrence.  That's why I would wait for more objective information than feelings like those you are experiencing.  I'm not sure if you would even feel a 1 cm increase in your spleen size.  In my case, I suddenly panicked when I noticed that the left side of my belly (where the spleen is) was a little larger than the right side.  That was several years ago, and wasn't confirmed by CT scans.  As long as you feel well, that's what counts.


Mark

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